Comment on Thousands of CEOs admit AI had no impact on employment or productivity—and it has economists resurrecting a paradox from 40 years ago

• Transform2942@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I agree that AI would be unimaginable for Marx, but on the other hand I think the labor theory of value is still holding up. Has any AI actually generated value for anyone?

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• Dryad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But AI, at this point and for the foreseeable future, is not a thinking machine. It’s a probability machine. It can do some neat tricks and some helpful things, but it is not thinking.

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• Juice@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The particular qualities of the machine itself are practically irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what the machine does, what inherent qualities it has. What matters is the relation it has to workers and the capitalists.

  “Machines were the weapons used by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor”
  – some blurry guy

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• XLE@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Marx could not conceive of thinking programmable machines”

  Are you sure about that?

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  • Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All the ways that loom stitching - like a player piano - is not Turing complete, much less like large training set AI.

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    • XLE@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And those looms inspired Chuck Babbage to build the Difference Engine, which was at the 1862 World’s Fair. Years before Marx started writing Capital.

      So again, when you say these machines are inconceivable to Marx…

      "you keep using that word."

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      • Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Blah blah blah

        The difference engine was never built by Babbage.

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• some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  These machines don’t think, though. They are the same glorified calculators we’ve been using, just with slightly updated formula sets. What we should be focusing on is the advent of quantum computing, which will supercharge everything we’re currently dealing with. That will be our generation’s Y2K. I read recently that quantum will become cheap enough to start disrupting things as early as 2029, which is not very far away.

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• Dogiedog64@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re right, it’s an entirely new class of machine. A fucking stupid class that should be taken out back and shot.

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