I find this whole thing blown way out of proportion and sorta the kind of thing that makes the world worse instead of better.
Giving $600 out of $215k and a laptop to two people that seem to suck does not make the company a nazi-loving brand. I agree that I wish Framework did draw lines along political ideology, but it’s far from the Mullvad CEO funding the entire nazi party of their country. This is a purity test, it seems, driven by people who are so far removed from the real world that they’d rather get mad at the small repairable laptop company instead of Amazon or Microsoft or AMD - all of which support far worse people with far more money and arguably do far more harm than good in the world right now.
Like if we ostracize every single person and company that does 1% bad we will have no allies for the changes that must come within the next couple of decades.
Idk. I find anyone throwing stones as confidently as you are at people who arent plainly and obviously evil to be suspicious and definitely not allies to the real cause of societal progression. Which is a shame because I want you in the movement and want the movement to be successful, but does this strategy really benefit the cause. Do we have an overabundance of laptop manufacturers with 100% moral purity, such that sending the signal to framework that they’re unrecoverably evil is a good thing? Because I definitely don’t think so, but maybe you do.
kaidenshi@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
It’s possible to be upset with both Framework and the other companies you mentioned. It’s not binary, either/or. I have issues with all of them for similar reasons.
All the Framework CEO had to do was say “oops, we screwed up, we can be better, we don’t want to associate with plainly evil people”. But he didn’t do that, he went out of his way to affirm that those evil people are welcome in Framework’s tent (his words, not mine) right next to the people those fascists constantly talk about wanting to murder and oppress. I don’t think it gets any plainer than that, and it’s not a purity test. It’s not wanting to give money to a company who will then proudly and openly give it to monsters, with a big fucking smile on their face as they do so.
artyom@piefed.social 10 hours ago
When you say you won’t buy a computer until they fire the CEO, you’re saying that you’re going to buy computers elsewhere. And almost everywhere else is 1000x worse. So yes, it absolutely is either/or. Unless you’re going to hide in a cabin in the woods.
kaidenshi@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
There are ethical alternatives. System76, Nova Custom, even used PCs from reputable refurbishers.
Go ahead and support fascism if you want but don’t lambast me for choosing not to.