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• oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the scientific consensus is that a well planned vegan diet can be healthy for all stages of human life. Plant staple foods are some of the cheapest foods around (rice, beans, grains)

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  • LemmysMum@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Conveniently forgetting that the only reason a healthy nutritionally balanced vegan or vegetarian diet is even remotely possible is due to globalised trade and access to internationally produced and shipped vegetables.

    To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally.

    Here’s a “fun” fact, first world demand for fruit and grain variety has out priced primary sources of food for local populations in third world countries including things like lentils, quinoa, and avocados.

    sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s… independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar… theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut…

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    • oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s… did you read the editors note at the bottom?

      independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar… the main thrust of the article is buy more locally grown food, grow your own food? I agree with that lol. To go a step further, community gardens are good!

      theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut… yeah I agree eat less quinoa and asparagus. See also the footnote

      Those things are failures of our food system, and problems we could and should solve. The cool thing about eating plants is it doesn’t inherently require exploiting other sentient beings, but it does still happen unfortunately. That goes for animal ag too tho, and animal agriculture inherently depends on the exploitation

      www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37034619 last two paragraphs

      telegraph.co.uk/…/parents-raise-children-vegans-s… the vegans in that post make good points. Obviously negligent parents are a problem, vegan or no

      To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally

      did I miss the source on this?

      Here’s a source for you to read, I read the ones you linked www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w

      while this doesn’t go super in depth, it’s a counterpoint to the idea that veganism (And definitely vegetarianism) is only possible with global trade. www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegan-cultures/

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      • LemmysMum@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tell that to the 12.8% of Americans that have food insecurity without the struggle of attempting veganism. ers.usda.gov/…/food-security-and-nutrition-assist…

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    none of those mean that the vast majority of humans can thrive or even be healthy on a vegan diet. and while the food itself may be cheap, it may lack convenience or cultural appropriateness, and therefore come with costs that are hidden at the checkout counter.

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    • oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      sure, there are a lot of factors that would make it difficult. If most people can’t afford to be vegan (for monetary or other cost reasons especially) that reflects a failure of our food system. Our food system hasn’t even gotten to the point of ensuring nobody goes hungry, we should be using our cropland to feed humans not other animals (look up how much of our crops go to livestock)

      we should end the biggest problems first, and start with ending factory farms, but we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others

        I suspect we disagree about the relevant definition of “others”

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Our food system hasn’t even gotten to the point of ensuring nobody goes hungry, we should be using our cropland to feed humans not other animals

        do you have a plan to accomplish that? until such a plan is implemented, there is not even a question whether it’s moral to eat meat, seafood, dairy, or eggs: most people have no volition in the matter and no one can actually change that.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        we should end the biggest problems first, and start with ending factory farms

        it’s not clear either that this is “the biggest problem” or, if it is, that the best method of solving our ecological woes is to attack it first.

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