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• oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I explained why it’s not arbitrary, then pointed to a group that does draw arbitrary distinctions. That’s not tu quoque because I’m not saying “you also”

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    you’re saying it’s not arbitrary. “no, you” is still a form of tu quoque. you haven’t actually made a case that sentience isnt an arbitrary standard, and there isn’t a case to be made: sentience isn’t a natural phenomenon outside of human subjectivity classification. without people, there would be no concept of green or warm or sentient, and any of those attributes is an arbitrary standard to use to judge the ethics of a diet.

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    • oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you saying everything we can talk about is arbitrary because everything we can talk about is with words and concepts?

      Are you talking about meriological nihilism? (thanks alex oconnor for teaching me that term lol)

      I know sentience is real based on the fact that I’m experiencing things right this moment. Based on my understanding of the brain and nervous system, and the strong evidence that those things give rise to my sentience, I think that it’s reasonable to extrapolate that other, similar nervous systems/brains are also sentient and their experience is worth consideration in a similar way to how I consider my own experience (among the many other reasons to have a basic level of empathy)

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        why sentience and not DNA? or literally any other characteristic? your standard is absolutely arbitrary.

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