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• oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hell even to get past solipsism you have to subjectively assume to that your mind and senses accurately reflect the world at least a little bit, otherwise gathering any accurate data or reasoning about that data productively would not be possible

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    right…

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• oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Once you go to a deep enough layer I think you’re right. But, the one subjective thing my argument rests on is that you care about your own experience. Anyone who flinches away from touching a hot stove because it hurts cares about their experience at least a little. The next step is recognizing that from an objective view, there’s no reason to think your subjective experience is any more important than anyone elses (subjectively there is).

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    we are going to, once again, disagree on the relevant definition of “anyone”.

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    • oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That seems to bother you. Let’s taboo the word. When I say “someone”, “anyone”, “person”, etc, I’m referring to a sentient being, a subject of experience, an experiencer, one who is experiencing. Now you can interpret what I’m saying better, do you disagree with the actual points I’m making?

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        yes, I do: sentience is too broad a category, and not actually relevant to most people. if we are talking about people, then all of your statements are fine. but I don’t agree that these axioms are or should be applicable to, sat, mosquitos . or mice. or dogs or cats. or fish. or livestock.

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