Comment on 2 Fancy 2 Furious: Wine

• headmetwall@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here is a thread from 7 months ago where more people noticed the video was plagiarized due to a DMCA of a re-upload: reddit.com/…/internet_historians_man_in_cave_vide…

  But to actually answer your question, it takes time to prove (or even notice) when a work has been plagiarized, particularly when the person who did wrong does not mention, or intentionally hides the original source. The Hbomberguy video is about exploring in depth and the IH video is just one example, not the main topic.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for that link, really appreciate it.

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• dasgoat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  … at the time the company that held the IP dmca’d the video, and it takes a while to make a 4 hour video? What is your argument here really?

  And if copyright infringement like this doesn’t concern you, that’s fine it doesn’t have to. But there are certain rules that content creators are deemed to follow, lest they run into this exact criticism. You can scoff and scowl at that fact, but that won’t make that simple reality disappear.

  And for what it’s worth, lifting the entire article near verbatim in a video you then make money off of without so much as crediting it is, at best, shitty, and at worst a crime. Do with that what you will, but it certainly isn’t a fly.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We are talking about 6 MONTHS. Also I can only hope that the dirt between Riley and IH has been sufficiently and satisified concluded for both of them. They owe us, the consumers including HBomberguy, nothing.

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    • dasgoat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The current reupload is still a poorly credited rewording of Riley’s article, and it still lifts the article wholesale in wording, structure, facts and research. Even the pacing is the same.

      IH didn’t come clean about the copyright infringement, choosing to instead dodge any questions regarding the matter. Now if this was just some spat between creators that we didn’t need to get into as an audience, that wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But the problem with copyright is, either you credit publicly and clearly, or you will be called out for it publicly. It is the same in academia, where a lot of this rigor stems from in the first place. I’m entirely sure the author could claim the current reupload. We won’t know if they have had contact before this version was reuploaded, but we can safely assume they didn’t have any contact whatsoever to greenlight his first upload.

      Addressing transgressions like this is also necessary, if not vital, to the YouTube and creator ecosystem that also has to keep itself in check. If you step out of line, you risk this very thing happening. And then it doesn’t matter if it is 2 days or six months or three years, or even older (as Hbomber also points out, there was some deeply racist stuff in IH’s uploads that have since been deleted).

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      • DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The current reupload is still a poorly credited rewording of Riley’s article, and it still lifts the article wholesale in wording, structure, facts and research. Even the pacing is the same.

        And that would be something between the article writer and IH, no?

        but we can safely assume they didn’t have any contact whatsoever to greenlight his first upload.

        That’s all we can do, yeah.

        Addressing transgressions like this is also necessary, if not vital, to the YouTube and creator ecosystem that also has to keep itself in check.

        By making a drama out of it on public stage so that others, like HBomber, can benefit from it as well? I don’t see how that’s beneficial.

        Just watch the video dude

        I mean the Wine video was pretty great and informative, and I’ve watched it before this hit the fediverse. But thanks.

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    • dasgoat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m unable to retrieve the link to his tweets at this time (mobile) but the author of the article has said that IH has not reached out to either him or mentalfloss.

      IH also did not communicate about him reuploading a new version. The author was told of this by the many people emailing him following Hbomb’s exposé.

      The author has not, to my knowledge, said anything about his following steps, but I assume they will have to at least decide on whether to issue another DMCA for the reupload.

      I do hope he, and they (mentalfloss) decide to pursue further legal action. IH’s actions are uconscionable, and a precedent has already been set with the taking down of the first video. The second video is by far not enough of a transformative work that it would shield him from the same thing happening again.

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• thenightisdark@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My boss tells me this. He’s like why can’t you do 80 hours worth of work in one 8-hour day.

  I mean you’ve been doing this job for more than one day so why do I wait to do the work tomorrow?

  Women get this too. I have one woman do a 9-month for a baby when you could have nine women do one month each and have a baby!

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean yeah, Development doesn’t work by throwing money or resources at a Problem. But how does that relate to my questions?

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    • thenightisdark@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You asked why he waited. Sure seems to me that he didn’t wait, he was busy working on it.

      Somewhere in that 4-hour video that I watched he had to throw away, about how long it takes him to make a video. And I bet it takes him a while.

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