Democratically owning the means of production among the workers. Instead of some greedy rich guy who’d want to give as little of the profit as possible to them.
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Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
And the solution is?
Arelin@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 months ago
See, that works for a farm.
I don’t see how it works for a $40 billion chip fabrication plant.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Simple. You know all those scientists that work at $40 billion chip plants? They would actually take the $40 billion and not some random suit who doesn’t do any of the actual work. Executive leadership is important, but it’s not worth 1000x the average worker’s salary.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 months ago
So who builds it? Do you just get together with 40,000 of your friends and go “hey if everyone here chips in a million, we can compete with TSMC”?
Arelin@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Work isn’t just physical you know. Management, planning, etc is work too, and they’d get paid according to how many want to do them, and how hard they are.
The difference is, like I said, that some greedy rich guy who’d want to give as little of the profit as possible to the people actually making the product or providing the service wouldn’t own that means of production.
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You mean capitalist cooperatives? They exist
Arelin@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Co-ops and unions are certainly steps in the right direction, but they’re more like temporary band-aids over Capitalism instead of implementing proper Socialism.
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because proper socialism always devolves into tyranny
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
That’s an oxymoron. There is literally no such thing as a capitalist cooperative. By definition, co-ops are socialist.
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, he does want to give the airlines to the workers
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 months ago
theanarchistlibrary.org/…/peter-gelderloos-anarch…
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lmao
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 months ago
If that’s what you think this says, then you completely misunderstand anarchism.
This book describes current and past societies that have functioned using anarchist principles such as horizontality, mutual aid, none of which are utopian, but all of which are significantly more equitable than systems like capitalism, feudalism, authoritarianism, and statehood.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Thank you for the link! AnarchistLibrary is cool but sometimes it’s hard to find the solid stuff from the tumblr rants.
I agree, it’s amazing how “revolutionary” it is to hold the idea that people can lead and cooperate just fine without a someone “on top” making all the rules everyone just follows because they say so. Some people just can’t fathom not being lead around by the nose.
They think we’re utopian, but I’d rather work towards an equitable world using anarchist principles, knowing it won’t create a utopia, than give up and let greed and hatred win out because that’s the status quo.
“This current situation is the best we’ve got so far” is such a low bar.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My ex-wife liked to practice horizontality with everyone she met.