Comment on Starlink dishes found on Russian military drones after being shot down

Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s really not all that difficult from a technical perspective. All that Ukraine or Starlink would need to do is keep track of the MACs in use, blacklisting those which have been lost or destroyed. Some would slip through, but it’s better than not doing it at all.

  Of course, with Musk being pro-Russian, I don’t expect Starlink to help Ukraine out.

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s really not all that difficult from a technical perspective.

    I’ll go ahead and reply to you, @BurningRiver@beehaw.org and @School_Lunch@lemmy.world at the same time since you all three had the same idea.

    All that Ukraine or Starlink would need to do is keep track of the MACs in use, blacklisting those which have been lost or destroyed.

    A whitelist of authorized MAC addresses is easy from a “technical” prospective. It would simply be a looong list of 24 bit addresses but you are ignoring the massive challenge of managing that list.

    Making this work would require the Ukrainian Government to setup an official StarLink registration process for every StarLink system in the country, including the ones that are privately owned. Then once a SL system was registered with the Government SL would have to setup a whole separate system to process those registrations.

    Now you also need the opposite. Every time that a registered system shouldn’t be used because it was destroyed or someone stopped paying their bill the Ukrainian Government would have to process that and send it StarLink to have it de-authorized.

    So no it’s not at all difficult from a “technical” perspective but doing this would require stomping privacy rights into a mudhole and without perfect execution across a warzone the size of a nation it will do little to nothing to solve the problem.

    If this was a practical solution Ukraine would have already requested that StarLink make it happen. The fact that the really smart people in Ukraine haven’t asked for this means that they’ve already dismissed the idea as unpalatable, unworkable or both.

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    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      As I said in my other comment, Ukraine is under martial law. Privacy rights are low on the list at the moment due to Russians invading and killing citizens. It doesn’t need to be perfect, it just needs to save lives.

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      • basmati@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If saving lives was a goal, Ukraine wouldn’t have started a war.

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  • rbesfe@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You think it’s easy to keep track of tens of thousands of relatively small networking devices in a warzone?

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  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Couldn’t they just spoof the MAC of the Ukrainian link?

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    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’d hope that Starlink devices have attestation to prevent MAC spoofing.

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• School_Lunch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about but wouldn’t starlink know the serial numbers or Mac addresses of the dishes they gave to Ukraine? Couldn’t they easily filter that region so only those work?

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  • MartianSands@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They probably can do that, but a lot of the connections Ukraine are using will have been donated by third parties, rather than directly purchased by the Ukrainians. How do they tell the difference between those, and someone claiming to be doing that then shipping the dishes to Russia?

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    • Voyajer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Have the Ukrainian government submit their MAC addresses?

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      • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Which would mean that every single StarLink system in Ukraine would have to be registered with the Government, even the ones owned by private citizens.

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• BurningRiver@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just a thought, I may be way off because admittedly I don’t know a lot about how it works - wouldn’t Ukraine have legitimately registered their SL gear? If it’s not registered by Ukraine and it’s in Ukraine, can’t they kill the uplink?

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