Comment on The TikTok Ban Paradox: How Platform Restrictions Create What They Aim to Prevent
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 days agothere's only so much you can do without completely rooting the device
I mean you could just install Signal instead of WhatsApp. Takes literally the same effort.
I get your point. It's valid. I still think it's not going to happen. It'll be either to complicated, or there will be other brain-rot content available someplace else. Or it's going to be the boiling frog syndrome. One tiny freedom after another will dissapear. Maybe there's still porn on xhamster available. So it's not that big a deal. And nobody will notice the subtle change. And one day it'll just be the world without porn, free speech, but with total surveillance. I really believe we can get there without any uprising if we make the steps small enough.
We'll see. As I said, I'm not overly enthusiastic. But it's speculation and I might be wrong.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Signal isn’t secure unless all parties are using it. That’s before you get into the company’s own questionable relationship with the Open Technology Fund.
What’s the point of total surveillance if there’s nothing to blackmail?
I’d argue we’re getting about as close as we can to total surveillance, and now we’re dealing with gluts of information that are too big to parse in a timely manner.
But a lot of this isn’t the end of porn, it’s the criminalization of porn as a means of threatening prosecution of anyone with a digital device an a hard on.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 days ago
Well, I don't think total surveillance is necessarily about blackmailing or something as direct. It's a broad way to assert and keep control. Control of everything. Force people to behave how you like, bend them to your will and to subjugate somebody.
You don't really need to blackmail them... Spreading fear uncertainty and doubt will get you a long way. And why even bother with facts to blackmail someone? You could as well make something up. If you're in total control, that's enough to make someone's life miserable.
We're not there, yet.
But it's been 10 years now since PRISM and Snowden. Even back then they were able to process a good chunk of the internet. The NSA has a massive datacenter somewhere in Utah, with god knows how many exabytes of storage. It's probably not gotten better since then. And they don't need to intercept every single packet from every device. Random sampling and collecting and processing as much stuff as they can, will do for a lot of use-cases. And every bit of knowledge, every fact they know (and process) makes them smarter and gets them ahead of the situation and in control. And naturally, that'll be an insatiable thirst for information. Of course they always want more. More processing power etc.
I think at this point it's more some ominous danger, lurking at us. Maybe they just don't like to reveal they've read and stored every single one of my e-mails. Maybe it's better for them to just keep silent.
I'm postive they can't collect everything. But it'll still be a large-scale overcollection. Because no one stopped them since 2013. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm pretty sure encryption works. And there are means of private communication. But it's really hard to avoid metadata. And using modern electronics. If you're carrying a mobile phone, they'll know your location 24/7. And that's enough to invade privacy. And I -personally- know like 2 people who don't do that.
I also don't think this is the end of porn. And I'd say it's questionable if "they" are even opposed to it. That's just the (too many) religious bigots. But they don't wield enough power to enforce a prohibition on internet porn.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That doesn’t end with surveillance, though. You have to show your hand at some point, or people will (not unreasonably) assume they’re in your blind spot and can behave as they please. That’s why you might get those annoying “Hello this is your ISP, please stop violating the Millennium Copyright Act or we’ll disconnect you” emails if you’re not torrenting behind a VPN. Also why a random woman in Florida made headline news for saying “Deny. Delay. Depose.” to her insurance broker. Its not about real time universal surveillance so much as terrorizing people into thinking they’re a person of interest.
There are limits. A lot of this stuff is still just a game of percentages. You have a pool of 100M end users and you can whittle that down to 5M potential suspects. And then maybe you can get it to 100k people you seriously think are up to some shit. And then you get it all the way down to 5k people who are really truly dangerous, based on some mathematical heuristic. But then you have to do… what? Actually go peep in someone’s window or dig through their trash to see what’s up.
Meanwhile, you’re banking heavily on the other 99.995M people not flying off the handle when you weren’t actively looking.
Far easier to cultivate or outright manufacture radicals to target and do high profile arrests on. That’s why you’ll find police organizations like the FBI and the NYPD running honeypot websites and local groups, dangling bait and waiting for the radicals to come to them.
Everything has its role. The NSA is, for the most part, outwardly facing. And a lot of its role is offensive rather than defense. But you do still occasionally see the knock-on effects downstream. The NSA trying to shut down Iranian nuclear energy with the Stuxnet Virus, for instance, blew back on the US in a big way. In the same way, Radio Free Asia doing anti-China agitprop all over the Pacific Rim gave us the Marcos and Duterte regimes in the Philippines and the chronic resurgence of the Park family and its allies in South Korea. That fuels religious radicalism and narco-trafficking in the region, which eventually comes back to the US in a big way.
Enshittification in pursuit of bigger and bigger profits is certainly its own problem. But it is only possible because smaller and less surveilled competitor media is either strangled in the cradle or bought out by the bigger fish. TikTok getting forced into sale to American investors, Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio prosecuted for insider trading after he refused to open up his telecom company to the NSA, Japanese car companies threatened with tariffs and sanctions unless they insourced their factories to the American Gulf Coast.
These systems work hand-in-glove. Enshittification is a consequence of the consolidation that state intervention allows. And state intervention is encouraged by big private interests seeking to weed out competition in exchange for more compliance with federal spying.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 days ago
You're right. That's how it works and what makes it effective.
It's far worse than that. It starts slow. But once they got several distinct factors, those multiply and it goes down fast. Think for example location tracking. There might be 5,000 people around. Or passing a cellphone tower along the highway roughly at a similar time. Then you take a single second measurement, when they head back home. And you got them. It's very unlikely that two or more people pass that point twice at the same time. (Exceptions apply.) Or browser fingerprinting. There are websites where you can check your browser fingerprint. They've always told me mine is unique amongst hundreds of millions of internet users. They only need half a dozen or a dozen or so different factors to narrow it down to one exact person (or device). It's not always like this. But more often than not.
Yeah, I guess they're not stupid. There are a lot of simple and effective things available. I'd pick the low hanging fruits, too. That's a sound choice.
Sure. I'm not an expert on this. I have to look up most things you said. But US foreign policy sure had it's positive and negative consequences. For a lot of countries, in the middle east and all around the world.
I'm pretty sure that's not a conspiracy or intended. But yes, a lot of that is consequential. Or symbiotic.