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• Redlogic@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Tiananmen eye witnesses

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  Reporter from the BBC: "I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. [...] There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square."

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm

  Reporter from the New York Times: "It is now considered unlikely than anyone was actually killed in Tiananmen Square"

  https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/27/world/clinton-in-china-the-site-clinton-in-beijing-square-may-tread-on-the-ghosts.html

  Reporter from the Washington Post: "As far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square."

  https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

  Reporter from CBS News: “Dawn was just breaking. […] We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel”.

  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

  (All the reporters quoted above were in Beijing on June 4, 1989.)

  Leaked cable from Wikileaks saying that a Chilean diplomat and his wife were at the square and saw no massacre:

  https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html

  Video footage from a Spanish news crew of the clearing of Tiananmen Square, presented on Hong Kong’s Asia TV. (Press CC button for English subtitles):

  https://youtu.be/JMtopY3pcZs?t=1m12

  Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, saying he was there all night and saw no one killed: https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?t=36

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Double check the quote in your first link, it's used saying that there was a massacre bigger than the Tiananmen square

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    • Redlogic@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      I think it have done its objective. There was no massacre in the square. These are reports from "credible news sources" admitting the propaganda. We can not expect them to be fully positive.

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• muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#what-about-the-tiananmen-square-massacre

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  • DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    The amount of sources and information that this link contains is sad. It's necessary and it's good, but it's sad that there is this much wrong with the current system. And a lot of people mentioned there are seen as somewhat 'good' guys.

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    • GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Wait 'til you find the 'US atrocities' document in the same repo

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• The_Monocle_Debacle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Hey just an FYI to everyone, the genzedong mods are banning people for being mean to sinophobes from other Lemmy instances now, so that's cool. Same reddit bullshit, smaller pond.

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  • muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I did that, and its because you continue to break rule 3, be respectful to comrades. This isn't reddit where they let everyone be a dick to each other and make every space miserable. You can either wait out your two day ban, or you can go back to reddit where they let you be shitty to other communists.

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    • American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Awwww fine we'll play nice

      but if they get mean can I yell at them back?

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    • i_must_destroy@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      What if it’s in a response to someone trolling the site? I usually just ignore anyways but just wondering.

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    • The_Monocle_Debacle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      some cryptobro from another lemmy doing 'china bad because wikipedia' isn't a comrade, though. if we're just gonna let those people talk all the shit they want and be nice to them, that's just liberalism where civility maters more than message.

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  • cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Hi, I'm one of the people you were apparently given a 2 day ban for "being mean" to (you replied "lmao using wikipedia as a source, dumbest fucking cracker" to me). fwiw imo i'm pretty far from being a sinophobe; by default I assume the things they're accused of in the west are information warfare from the US. i guess you probably wouldn't object to me linking to wikipedia when i'm posting things you presumably agree with like this comment about the falun gong?

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• sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  The original western journalists photos that the NATO governments is censoring show since contradiction and inconsistency with the hoax narrative: https://web.archive.org/web/19970329011405/http://www.cnd.org:8022/June4th/massacre.html

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Can you explain like I'm a smoothbrain? I don't quite see how this disproves anything, it only seems to support that something happened

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    • sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Cover01 reveals that the tanks did not run over TankMan contrary to the hoax. Cover02 reveals that Chinese Communist Party build a monument of the TAM Square victims which indicates that the Communists did not hide the massacre. mascr001, mascr005, mascr007, mascr011, mascr012, mascr13 shows that Chinese soldiers allow crowds to carry injured citizens into government owned hospitals. An injured citizen can even carry an army helmet. mascr004 reveals that Chinese soldiers did not kill protesters in the TAM Square that night since the protestors can flee the next morning. mascr006 shows that Chinese soldiers allow foreign tourists to witness the aftermath of the false flag massacre in the next morning. mascr015 and mascr017 shows that the Chinese soldiers were not indiscriminately massacreing people in the protest site; the soldiers target specific people and allow people to take photos without fear of death. This implies that the People's Liberation Army only attack the terrorists and violent rioters within the protests. mascr018 and all other photos in this website archive reveals that the Chinese Communist Party allow citizens to collect evidence of the massacre without fear of death which contradicts Western fake news narrative that the Communists are destroying evidences and mindlessly killing civilians.

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• GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  There's a WIP article over on r/sino which links to several sources

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• Redlogic@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Here is one article from 🥭Press The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.

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• OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  I've read a lot of various sources on Tiananmen Square, and come to the honest conclusion that the facts will always remain murky- People died, soldiers died, and it's highly likely the CIA was funnelling money in, given how even the student leaders talked about the millions of dollars worth of food and resources coming into the square to keep the protests alive.

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• leninenjoyer@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  I know you are mostly asking for sources, but if it helps at all here's some well sourced videos on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv04u-OLDC8&t=1205s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqPI8xlnrwg You also could just take the sources from the video lol

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• Ice_wizzard12@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Here is something you might want to take a look into

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