Lightor

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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  No. Before the industrial revolution participating in art wasn’t something you did to make money, it was a prerequisite to a full human existence. Why say something that is so easily disproven. In ancient Greece, artists were paid by the government to build temples and other public buildings in Athens. In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, works of art were commissioned by patrons and made to order. There are tons of examples of people doing it for money and as their sole job. You are %100 wrong here.

  Art isn’t a job art is humanity. Art isn’t pointless, art is the point. Cool, and how does that person making art eat?

  Look into the concept of commodification. You’ll learn a lot Yes, I learned about this way back in college. It’s not some new or crazy idea. It’s not even a bad idea, it has help society throughout many points in history.

  I’m saying that people shouldn’t “be able to live” off of art the same way they shouldn’t “be able to live” off breathing and further.

  Art is something you invest time and money and resources into. Breathing is not. This doesn’t make any sense. I can breathe while working a 9-5.

  I am ignoring the ripple effects on people’s lives because those effects only hit them as far as they have allowed themselves to participate in the selling off of their humanity.

  Really? Well that is extremely close minded. Without IP big pharma won’t be interested in investing millions into a new vaccine, so I guess everyone who dies from the lack of that vaccine is their fault, because they sold their sole. Or you spent your life on your masterpiece of a book and want to make money off your life’s work, someone you’ve sold you soul because you want money to live.

  And no. It doesn’t extend to free speech because free speech isn’t an argument solely used to prop up a system that shouldn’t have ever existed at all.

  Have you never seen politicians? Have you ever read a history book? Words and hate speech, covered by freedom of speech, has lead to many deaths. But I guess they don’t matter somehow.

  Art is not pointless, but it shouldn’t be something you buy or sell. Many things we buy or sell today are the same. Art is not unique.

  But I’m sure the artist wants a house to live in. Who is making that house? They want to eat. How are they getting that food. You seem to live in a fantasy land where everyone has unlimited time and money to just create and be happy with creating, no bills, no real world to worry about.

  But the argument that an artist in the Netherlands keeping their job because otherwise they’ll starve is a justification for a child in Sierra Leone dying of tuberculosis when the person paying for the art has the ability to give the artist food and the child medicine is evil. And make no mistake, that person is you. Sure call me evil. But if I’m evil then you are the literal devil. That kid who wants that tuberculosis medicine, how do you think we got that medicine? A company invested millions to research it. So when the next disease comes around and it’s killing millions and no one is willing to just burn millions to find a cure because they have no IP, those deaths will be because of people like you. You have this childish mindset that after IP is gone everyone will magically have meds in their hands and everything will be perfect. No, you’re just as dumb as you are evil. New diseases will come up, no one will invest in curing them because they will lose money, and people will die. The difference between me and you is I can see more than 1 month into the future on how this would effect things.

  IP abolition is one single part of a much larger reform we need, and anyone who is arguing against it is missing the forest for the trees. That is my argument.

  I agree we need reform. But I would say anyone arguing that we don’t need IP is naive. They benefit from it every day while saying it should be destroyed. Which now that I think of it sounds like every republican. Not calling you one, just funny how that works out. No surprise that people with money are the ones wanting it gone. Ever think why the rich want this? Is it because you think they’re trying to be good people? Or maybe, just maybe, they realize how they will get even more money and power while selling a fantasy that people eat up. This is just like how people eat up the idea of tariffs without even understanding what they are. That’s you.

  Wanting artists to be able to be paid for their work obfuscates the much larger, actually important issue that they’ll starve in our society without their art. That is evil.

  Yes, they shouldn’t have to do art to survive. But your solution would just kill art all together. Because a system is broken is not a reason to remove it entirely, it’s a reason to fix it. You just seem to have this pipe dream of a world where everyone can just do art whenever for free and no one ever has to worry about money. That sounds great, but it’s a fantasy. I live in reality, please join me.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I agree. I wouldn’t be in favor of “burn it down” if I thought we could negotiate better terms with our current IP oligarchs.

  So since we can’t save it, we just burn it down? The legal system isn’t doing so hot either, should we just get rid of laws? I mean rich people can break then and regular people can’t, should we just get rid of them since we can’t fix it right now?

  I’ll still be available to do creative work. It wouldn’t change my current work-for-hire efforts.

  I don’t know what kind of work you do, but it would impact many. You can’t show drafts, you can’t present mock-ups, etc, because they can just take those. You could make art for someone saying they will pay and then they don’t. You could get a refund, but they just copied the art and it’s theirs now.

  This also harms people who in literature especially. They don’t own the book they write. And for anyone to appreciate it, they also have the ability to give it away for free. But I guess since it doesn’t impact you, it’s somehow not a problem?

  Very little valuable IP is held by actual creators, today.

  This may be true, but guess how they lost that IP? They sold it. They owned it and were able to sell it to a bigger company that could run away with it. Without IP the selling part goes away, they just take it and run away with it. I mean come on, how do you think authors make money?

  Are you an actual published creator, or a temporarily embarrassed future billionaire? Tell me you don’t understand empathy without telling me. You made it very clear before by the “it won’t impact me” statement, but this is just next level. Because I and many other can see how this will cause damage, that means nothing because we’ve not been personally impacted?

  But that falls apart when I have actually created and sold software. I have created IP. And I’ve had actually to defend my personal IP from a previous employer.

  Is there a version of success for you that isn’t just selling to a big IP company to get enough money to retire? That’s what it looks like, to me.

  What? You’re just making up a scenario in your head. If you can sell your IP to company and live comfortably for the rest of your life while they do all the heavy lifting and you get paid while people enjoy what you create, how is that some big loss? Because you want all the money? Sure, then self publish, it’s an option. Start a small LLC, people do it, stop acting like it’s the only way forward.

  The peak of my possible success would be to write something that threatens/tempts the big IP holders enough to force them to buy me out. If I don’t take the buy out, they eventually bury my thing with their advertising power.

  I mean, false. This is just wrong, people have created companies, brands, book series, etc. This just seems like you have decided you have no chance so you don’t try and want to tear down the system so you can get yours.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  So art is pointless because people are dying? This is silly. We can destroy the creative nature of our society to save some people, sure. Ignoring the ripple effect that has and lives it would impact, how far do you take that? Is losing the right to freedom of speech ok if it saves lives? This would have massive down stream effects and actuall results in more harm.

  Did you ever consider the ability to make and sell these, then transport? Did you consider the fact that as new deseases emerge that there will be no incentive for a company to invest in finding a cure or vaccine? No, because people just want to virtue signal.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I didn’t read the whole book, I didn’t have time.

  But since you claim to have, explain how that problem is solved. I mean you read it all right? So correct me, how is that problem solved? Show me how big of an idiot I am.

  Or is this just a deflection.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  This argument falls apart with the very basic concept of self publishing which many do.

  It also ignores that you get a deal with that publisher and still get paid. Without IP they don’t have to pay you.

  Come on people…

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Yep, this is Trump’s Tariffs all over again.

  And if this happened, people would cheer as they got all this stuff for free, without realizing that they just killed the future of creativity.

  The irony is people want this to happen because they see companies as greedy. When in fact, this move itself would be incredibly greedy and feed the corporations that people are trying to rail against.

  And all these free movies and software are only “free” until they find a way to enforce logins and always online BS for everything. Big companies won’t just give up their IP, they will fight this and find a way to hoard.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  This is no naive…

  If you copy everyone else you’re not going to be profiting much, as your product isn’t competitive.

  Like there are a million different waters you can buy at the grocery store but somehow there are companies that dominate three space?

  You are ignoring things like advertising, branding, manufacturing quality, distribution, etc. If your logic held, at all, generics of products would outsell brand names because they are more available and cost less. But people but brand name still.

  Android innovated and now they make a ton of of the OS and embedding their apps in there.

  You’re ignoring situations like say, you spent 5 years of your life writing a book. Guess what, another company can print and sell it, giving you nothing. Then can then manufacturer and sell merch around it, at scale, and you get nothing. They could then even start a live action play about it, it could win awards, and they never have to ever mention you. They could actually just bury you and muddy the water, saying they created it and calling you a liar.

  Yeah, there’s a reason rich people want this.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Acting like FOSS is representing all creative work is dishonest.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  “Do inventors lose because of this? Probably.”

  This calls out the exact problem with this when glosses over it. With big companies able to now swing in and steal any idea this doesn’t work. Times have changed, your idea can be ripped away and sold to everyone while you get nothing. But the mindset of this article is that “there are more copies of your idea out there so it’s cheaper for everyone.” This ignores that the inventor has less motivation to actually invent.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  This is just wrong. If you write a book, you own that book. Many people sell art.

  What this would do is make it so that creating isn’t profitable for people. Why write a book that people can just take for free. So creatives won’t be able to make money from creating, so they’ll do something else.

  This sounds like a dystopian future where everyone is a factory worker, and people are cheering it on at the thought of “free stuff.”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Voiding all IP law would cause a huge loss in the creative community.

  If people can no longer pay their bills by creating then they stop creating and work. If I can’t pay my bills by writing a book or creating art and selling it, then I stop doing that and get a job at Walmart.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jack Dorsey would like to ‘delete all IP law’.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Exactly, people don’t actually think about this. They just think “I get stuff companies have” and not “no one will write books anymore.” If creative people can’t make money by creating, they do something else. Why make music, books, art, when doing so becomes a financial drain.

  Imagine a world where you created a hit story online. Well a big company could make that a book, sell it and you see nothing. If it got big they could sell merch, which you would see none of. Big companies, by having manufacturing and distribution setup, could steal any idea at any point and put it into the machine. This would be a nightmare.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Ubisoft Director Claims "Non-Decent Humans" Are Wishing For Company's Demise⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Never right? It’s never right? So MLMs are good to exist? This is such a millionaire victim mindset.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Valve: don’t expect a faster Steam Deck ‘in the next couple of years’⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Sure, it always existed, but I think it’s obvious that the Switch and Steam Deck, more so the Switch, took off with the idea in modern gaming.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Valve: don’t expect a faster Steam Deck ‘in the next couple of years’⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I loved my steak deck, but I sold it and got a ROG Ally, it’s better in every way and makes me wonder why Valve is just letting other companies run away with their idea.