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- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
But that’s my point, not everyone agrees with that assessment.
You’re the problem is there’s things like code completers that predate AI and no one ever had a problem with those even though presumably they were also taking work from other people. So how much AI can be used before AI becomes unacceptable. You can set the bar at zero but then you start getting problems of defining what even constitutes AI.
Before we can have a conversation about whether or not AI should be used in game development or anything else we should first have a discussion about what it is. No one seems to want to have that discussion.
- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
Yeah I know that’s why I’m asking
- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
Sure you are, and that’s what the tag is for. I think it’s like problem is everyone has a slightly different definition of what “used AI” means.
For example there are some indie games being developed now where the assets are human made but much of the code was AI written. Artists had an idea for a game but they didn’t know how to code so they got the AI to do that part. Historically the way this would have been dealt with would be that they would have simply developed the game in something simple, like game maker. AI just give them another option.
Now the question becomes should that be labeled as AI? Yes AI was used, but no one’s lost their job because of it, so is it quite the same thing?
I don’t think Valve makes the distinction, and that’s what a lot of people don’t like about the tag, it is ambiguous. Of course Tim here is just whining about the thing in general, and isn’t usefully contributing to the discussion at all, as per.
- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
I think free range is a protected term in some jurisdictions.
- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
It’s not even about privacy. Is basically complaining that they have to list the ingredients on the food packet, for most people this isn’t a problem, but since his business has a tendency to sprinkle thorium in everything, he’s acting a grieved.
- Comment on Steam's AI disclosures are akin to "forcing developers to list their voting history", says man who must hate seeing eggs virtue signal that they're free-range 2 weeks ago:
Yeah that’s exactly the analogy to reach for.
The shareholders really should take this idiots phone off him. He’s doing them no favours at all.
- Comment on "You can’t just throw new people at that problem": Bethesda devs doubt future Elder Scrolls and Fallout games will have the same "quality level", after losing seasoned staff to Xbox cuts 2 months ago:
Well over a decade ago if you’re reaching all the way back to Morrowind and Oblivion. I’m pretty sure Oblivion was an Xbox 360 launch title.
- Comment on "You can’t just throw new people at that problem": Bethesda devs doubt future Elder Scrolls and Fallout games will have the same "quality level", after losing seasoned staff to Xbox cuts 2 months ago:
Let’s make the next game just micro transactions and take out the game part.
- Comment on "You can’t just throw new people at that problem": Bethesda devs doubt future Elder Scrolls and Fallout games will have the same "quality level", after losing seasoned staff to Xbox cuts 2 months ago:
Do we clap?
I’m sorry but Bethesda and quality don’t belong in the same sentence unless there is another word in that as well. Such as “lack”
- Comment on My steam machine arrived! 3 months ago:
Yeah they sent me an email to basically say no. The randomised list has apparently put me too far down so now I’m not going to get one.
No time frame or anything just no.
- Comment on Epic boss Tim Sweeney blasts Steam for putting AI tags on games — says move is ‘irresponsible of Valve’ 4 months ago:
It has no effect on rankings it literally just shows a tag to the user. If a customers response to the presence of that tag is not to buy the product, doesn’t that represent some sort of cultural problem that should concern a CEO, rather than complaining about the presence of the feature?
- Comment on Steam machine prices are live 4 months ago:
It wouldn’t help. The CEOs are just the idiot figureheads who make dumb decisions, don’t be replaced within a day.
- Comment on The AI warning for Steam browser plugin adds Steam search filtering 4 months ago:
I’ll have to check it out. It’s never really occurred to me before that there could be plugins to add additional functionality.
What steam really needs is a “I found the game you’re searching for, but I’m pretty certain you actually mean this other game with a very similar name and that’s actually popular” feature. They can call it The Outer Wilds feature.
- Comment on The AI warning for Steam browser plugin adds Steam search filtering 4 months ago:
Do people actually browse steam via web browser? I was just use the actual steam storefront since I’m going to be in it anyway when I play the game.
- Comment on Valve is so behind on Steam Controller orders that some won’t ship until 2027 4 months ago:
I suspect that part of the problem is that they seem to have the steam machine bundled with the controller, or at least that seems to be an option. Presumably they’re keeping some controllers back so they can fulfil those orders.
- Comment on Valve to no longer offer physical gift cards due to scammers 5 months ago:
I’m just imagining the scammers losing their minds trying to get my parents to install steam so they can buy gift cards.
If my mother is not receiving a constant stream of instruction she’ll get bored and start clicking on random buttons. There’s a reason that all my text messages for her are full of random emojis and gifts that she’s accidentally added
- Comment on Valve to no longer offer physical gift cards due to scammers 5 months ago:
Yeah when I worked at Apple I got so sick of trying to explain to people that the American IRS are not going to sue them for $100,000 if they don’t give them some Apple gift cards.
I also at the Apple gift cards were especially funny because they were for such low denominations
- Comment on New Steam update shows four Steam Machine models, though we still don't have a release date 5 months ago:
My gaming headphones still use USB A so I guess that’s why that’s there. But yeah, I don’t need 4.
- Comment on [deleted] 6 months ago:
Did they not limit pre-orders to people with existing steam accounts and one controller per account because that would have been an excellent idea and I assumed that they would have thought of that.
Anyway I have zero interest in the controller until the VR headset comes out.
- Comment on Steam is adding support to show estimated FPS for your hardware before buying a game 7 months ago:
I grew up playing RuneScape at 15 frames per second on the crappy school computers, so I’m used to it.
- Comment on 7 months ago:
IR will go through fog base Which is why it’s good for self-driving cars but it won’t be able to see glass any better than visible light cameras. Generally speaking this isn’t a problem though because you don’t tend to have windows in the middle of the road.
I think the better solution here is to simply have better defined no-go zones. Have the cameras identify possible issues like this and then just not go over there.
- Comment on Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious' 8 months ago:
To me it doesn’t matter if you use biological learning or the method described below
What would biological learning for an AI look like? I don’t even know what this sentence means or what you’re trying to convey.
both can self adjust
No they can’t. That’s the whole point, they can’t sell for just they have no free will so they have no ability to take self-modification actions.
they can go off and self browse the web or use camera vision etc
Yes, but so can a non-intelligent computer program. The ability to access the internet has nothing to do with intelligence. See humans.
The old research you talk about science felt hit a wall decades ago, but later (now) they realized we just didn’t feed it enough info.
I think this is where you’re getting confused. The “old research”, aka neural networks didn’t hit a wall, it’s just it was never particularly useful outside of very niche circumstances. But it’s been used extensively in OCR for decades. But it is not intelligence anymore than a plant turning towards the sun is intelligence. It’s just evolutionarily enforced stimulation response. Large language models work on a completely different concept, you don’t get good results by feeding neural networks lots of input because it just overwhelms them with signal and they can’t optimise towards anything. If you built a neural network with a 100 trillion nodes you might actually get something useful, but it still wouldn’t be artificial intelligence and no one’s doing that anyway because it’s prohibitively processor intensive and anyway LLMs exist.
But if you look up any recent papers on what science is doing in this field you’ll see what I mean, even what appears to be emergent behaviours, which may just be a result of neural learning methods whether human or silicon based.
It’s important to realise that words mean the things they mean. Emergent behaviour just means that they behaviour is emergent, it doesn’t mean that the behaviour is intentional or directed. Large crowds have emerged behaviour, it doesn’t mean that there’s some hive mind control everyone.
- Comment on Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious' 8 months ago:
They’re not though, just because you’ve found a snippet that valifies your incorrect understanding of AI doesn’t mean that it’s right. And since apparently the way you do research is to Google something and then click on the first result I’ll explain.
Large language models don’t use the standardly understood neural network that people are familiar with. They use a lot of mathematics and high dimensional spaces to generate their responses. They’re not achieving that by simulating neural pathways.
Neural networks simulate simple brains in order to have output, it’s a much older version of AI and is more like evolution simulation than it is artificial intelligence, there’s plenty of videos on this on YouTube dating back well over a decade. What you are referring to in your original comment sounds very much like a neural network that has been trained on character recognition, again loads of YouTube videos on the topic. But there’s no understanding there there’s no comprehension and there’s no learning. It’s just a system evolving to identify patterns.
But none of this is anything close to an early version of artificial general intelligence because it’s all just responding to input. If you initialise a large language model and then just leave it it’ll sit there and do nothing, a true artificial intelligence would have its own defined goals and take action to achieve those defined goals on its own without any input from a human, it would also be capable of self-modification. LLMs, and neural networks don’t do either of those things.
- Comment on Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious' 8 months ago:
LLMs are not neural networks and neural networks are not AI. But you know other than that.
- Comment on Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious' 8 months ago:
If you are blocking them how do you know you are being downloaded without a response? Maybe you can’t see the response because you’ve blocked them.
Put it this way, this is the first time I’ve seen them post anything but I’ve seen a lot of .ml people being enormous jerks so the balance of probability is that you’re on a loser with this one.
- Comment on Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious' 8 months ago:
I mean not necessarily. Human consciousness arrived without a higher intelligence needing to understand our complexity.
Who is to say that there is only one path to intelligence? What it would say though is that since LLM’s do not self-modify they by definition cannot be the path to AGI
- Comment on i cant wait to get a steam frame 10 months ago:
Probably Pavlov it’s basically just CoD multiplayer, plus a less janky Gary’s Mod, in VR. I’ve just check my stats and I have months worth of play time. It’s also a hell of a workout.
The trailers on the steam page don’t really do it justice. It’s mostly about the community.
If you’re into racing there’s also Gran Turismo, I’m pretty sure Euro truck / American truck simulator also supports VR, as of course does Elite Dangerous and if you’re prepared to buy into it Star Citizen.
There’s also loads and loads of indie games but I don’t really know about those because my VR experience has been exclusively PlayStation limited, where those titles are not available. But I do know that ultra wings is extremely good because I’ve played it on a friend’s headset.
I normally wouldn’t say I was particularly interested in the VR chat style community playroom thing either but I had a lot of fun with Rec Room which is essentially the same thing but is available on PlayStation. The problem with those games is they tend to have a lot of kids in them who shouldn’t really be in there since most of those games are 18 plus. But I take the view that if they’re in there, then they’re fair play, and you can just shoot them if they’re being annoying.
Oh and there’s a dungeons and dragons simulator which is very good. If you’re into dungeons and dragons. Oh and loads of poker games.
Sorry this is a bit rambly, I just keep thinking of titles I’ve played over the years.
The thing about VR games is they don’t tend to get huge advertising budgets because it’s still quite a niche market so it looks like there isn’t really a lot of options. But if you actually have a look on the VR page there’s loads. There’s even quite a good VR MMO who’s name I can’t quite remember, but that’s quite good, if kind of dated looking.
- Comment on i cant wait to get a steam frame 10 months ago:
Really he’s been pretty critical of Microsoft lately. I don’t really have a problem with him personally, he definitely doesn’t live in the real world though.
- Comment on i cant wait to get a steam frame 10 months ago:
Well he would get a VR headset to play VR games. If you’re not going to play VR games on the VR headset then it really isn’t worth you getting one.
- Comment on i cant wait to get a steam frame 10 months ago:
Blame LTT for that. They’re the ones that put out the initial idea that corporations might buy them thus valve cannot sell them at a loss.
When I first heard them say that I initially thought “yeah that makes sense”. But after a while of thinking about it, no it doesn’t make any sense at all, I have no idea why he said that.