NeatNit

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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I forgot to mention. Turns out PWAsForFirefox doesn’t work at all with the Flatpak version of Firefox github.com/filips123/PWAsForFirefox/issues/142 so the whole question is moot. The project’s dev seems to be actively involved in making that possible though. I guess I’ll live without nice web-apps on the steam deck for now, it’s not a deal breaker.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  he suspend mode is fantastic and there’s little reason to ever do a full shutdown or reboot in my experience.

  Thank you, that’s quite useful to know!

  Slightly off-topic but you reminded me. Have you tried using Steam Deck as a “Steam Controller” for PC? I did look up an article on that once and at first glance it seemed to involve a bunch of caveats. Haven’t tried it properly yet.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Precisely! I like to describe it as: a portable external monitor, in the shape of a laptop, with a built-in keyboard and trackpad.

  Many Android phones support a desktop mode when connected to an external monitor. Most notably Samsung’s higher-end phones, and they call this feature Samsung DeX. Lapdocks are perfect to make use of this functionality.

  NexDock is a more reputable brand that makes high-quality lapdocks. Uperfect is another, but I get the feeling they don’t care as much about making good usable products, and instead just want to maximize their specs for marketability.

  ELECROW, I never heard of before and it looks like chinesium, but it’s the only lapdock I found that actually ships to me so that’s what I ordered. Should arrive in a couple of weeks.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I use it on Linux Mint, the biggest issue I have with it is external links:

  github.com/linuxmint/webapp-manager#how-to-open-l…

  How to open links in my main browser?

  For Firefox, all links are always opened within the WebApp, either directly or using a new tab. To open a link in your main browser, right-click anywhere, select Copy link location and paste the link in your main browser.

  Really annoying. PWAs For Firefox fixes it, you just gotta change a setting.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Very interesting, thank you for this tip!

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  When docked, the Deck works great as a desktop PC. But not as a laptop. It’s too much to carry (lapdock + deck). The lapdock would be more suitable for your phone.

  Thanks for the advice. I’m going to find out for myself either way though.

  I have a large backpack and I’m used to carrying a lot of weight. I often carry a laptop + Nintendo Switch + battery pack and a bunch of misc stuff. So size and weight will be fine.

  And part of the plan is that on days where I don’t need a full Linux OS, I would only take the lapdock and indeed use it with my phone. Thus my portable computing options are a lot more modular.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Thanks for the advice! I did already figure out the thing about the trackpads. I found the whole environment to be surprisingly usable in handheld mode, but definitely not ideal.

  Thankfully that’s not how I’m planning to use it. I ordered a lapdock (specifically this one, which is the only one I’ve found that ships to my godforsaken country) and it should arrive in a couple of weeks and be the main way I use Desktop Mode. Then I don’t need Steam input.

  If you’re using a customizer like DeckyLoader holding off on updates for a week or so until there’s confirmation of stability and compatibility is advisable, but that’s more for handheld mode.

  Can you tell me more about DeckyLoader and why I might want to use it? Or just link to a page with that info. I never looked into it, and I’m wondering what’s actually missing from vanilla SteamOS.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Thanks for the advice. I’ll consider it long-term, but want to stick with SteamOS for now. I gave a more detailed reply to a different comment if you’re interested in reading it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Thanks, awesome answers all around!

  Regarding another distro, I do use CachyOS on my desktop so that’s definitely an option, but for the time being I want to give SteamOS a fair shot before I go and install a different OS on it. There’s every chance I’ll cave and install CachyOS within a month or two.

  Don’t bother messing with the system files if possible. Try to use an AppImage or Flatpak instead, […]

  Yes, definitely; I was going to do that anyway. There are only a few corner-cases, like the PWAs For Firefox that I linked in the OP, where this isn’t possible or might require a lot more fiddling than I prefer. But in almost all cases, I can work with Flatpaks, AppImages, or through a web browser.

  Thanks for answering, I was honestly not sure I’d get much good info here but you proved me dead wrong :)

• Any desktop-mode tips for a new Steam Deck owner?
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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Controller shows signs of life, as leaker suggests that Valve has received its "first large quantity" shipments⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s an interesting thought, but no amount of software is going to conjure up new physical buttons. You pretty much always need to use the ABXY buttons at the same time as the D-pad, so this remapping trick wouldn’t be possible.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Controller shows signs of life, as leaker suggests that Valve has received its "first large quantity" shipments⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Interesting. I played Hollow Knight on Switch and joycons were my favorite option for this exact reason. The few times I tried with a Switch pro controller … did not go well. It’s too squishy, and I absolutely do blame the controller there! Presumably 8BitDo is much better and clickier.

  Silksong I actually played on PC, with a keyboard. It was great for me, the biggest downside personally is the lack of rumble - I love haptic feedback. The game definitely plays better with a controller but the button layout on keyboard was totally playable.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Controller shows signs of life, as leaker suggests that Valve has received its "first large quantity" shipments⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  That’s a good idea actually!

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Controller shows signs of life, as leaker suggests that Valve has received its "first large quantity" shipments⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t know what you mean, Hollow Knight is unplayable with accidental diagonals. Try attacking in mid-air while moving left, but then oops! Instead of an attack to your left, you do a pogo or an upwards attack. You miss your target, and you die.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Steam Controller shows signs of life, as leaker suggests that Valve has received its "first large quantity" shipments⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I want this controller, but I am so annoyed that no controller on the planet comes with separated directional buttons for the D-Pad. Accidental diagonal input is the bane of my existence. The Nintendo Switch Joy-Cons have separate buttons and I freaking love it! But the ONLY reason they did that is to allow them to serve as ABXY when held sideways. No “real” controller does this.

  The only option I’ve found to achieve this is to get a PlayStation controller (PS4 or PS5), and mod it with a kit that separates the buttons under the faceplate. But the extra features of the Steam Controller sound too good to sacrifice just for that.

  The only D-Pad I’ve ever actually liked is the 3DS (XL), because it’s so clicky and never caused accidental diagonal input. Seriously, how do people accept this crap?

  So yeah, I really hope the D-Pad on this is clicky. I’ll probably be buying it either way.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  Okay, I pretty much agree with you in theory, but in practice you’re basically describing PowerShell which I just cannot. :P

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  I’ve been using command-line programs for twenty-five years.

  A general statement (not about you):

  I’ve been using my human body for over 25 years (exact number withheld) and still don’t know shit about how it works and what it does. I don’t even know the muscle groups, which most people who care about their health learn. But I still use them. Years of experience don’t always translate to understanding and knowledge.

  More specifically about you (and me): I’m sure you know a lot about how to use the shell, and I’ll absolutely bet you know more tricks than me to get shit done. But you still didn’t know about the quoting thing. I have a tendency to dig into understanding how shit works while not developing my actual skills in using them. You might have the opposite tendency. The best is somewhere in the middle, I think.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  All I can tell you is that, in my opinion, it’s ridiculous and terrible that old-school terminals haven’t been replaced yet with something more user-friendly and self-explanatory, at least in the same-machine user space. But given that they are what they are, some basic understanding of what shells do is required in order to use them, and you don’t have that understanding (I don’t fault you for this).

  The key point here is that programs/commands always receive an array of string arguments, and it’s the shell’s job to translate your command line into that. Quoting (like in -m=“my message”), shell variables (like $HOME) and various other things are processed by the shell and not the program, and the expectation is that the user knows this. So quotes are never visible to programs, and the upside is that programs never need to process such quotes - making these features universal without having various random bugs in each program’s implementation.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  Note that it is recommended to use “./” before a raw * in globs to avoid filenames beginning with “-” being interpreted by the command as special arguments

  Jackpot! I think! Based on OP’s reply to me, this is almost definitely the real problem:

  mv *.jpg /mnt/Example/Pictures

  Where it will then die with an error like mv: invalid option – ‘1’ depending on the contents of the current directory.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  Can you run printf %s\\n *.jpg in that same directory and share the result? I’m really intrigued. If there’s private information in there, I’d be satisfied with just a handful of lines with private info replaced with ****s

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m using whatever GNOME Terminal came with Linux Mint 20 by default.

  Should be bash. Type help it should tell you.

  StackOverflow answers sound like any POSIX terminal will do this. I assume it’s standard behavior.

  Link?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  I mean with * where you have no control of the order of the files and you never explicitly say which files are being moved. “yeah, just rename files into other files, I don’t fucking care lol” is what your command does

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  I have two questions:

  1. Is this some recent news that you expect us to have heard of? Your post demands context that is not easily understood (but it’s possible to understand through multiple reads)
  2. What shell are you using?

  I’m using bash (GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release) and don’t observe this behavior:

  $ ls
  'first file.txt'  'second file.txt'
  $ cat 'first file.txt' 
  this is originally named "first file.txt"
  $ cat 'second file.txt' 
  this is originally named "second file.txt"
  $ mv *.txt
  $ ls
  'second file.txt'
  $ cat 'second file.txt' 
  this is originally named "first file.txt"
  

  It’s possible that whatever shell you’re using has a bug, but it’s definitely not universal. It’s also possible that this bug only affects builtins like mv and not non-builtin commands.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  What shell are you using? Is this exclusive to mv (and maybe other builtins)?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨mv *.jpg is complete bullshit.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m also a bit lost. From the final sentence “having it put each name in quotes should be fucking trivial.” OP seems to complain that filenames with spaces expand into multiple arguments. I can’t recreate this with this command in bash:

  $ printf %s\\n *.jpg
  

  This command prints each argument in its own line. Replace *.jpg with whatever to prove it to yourself. Filenames with spaces show in full in a single line for me.