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If consciousness can only be observed subjectively, why do people sometimes say someone is unconscious?

Nothing can ever be proven (even math proofs assume you aren’t hallucinating about having seen a convincing proof), but that usually isn’t the standard of evidence.

LLMs seem to meet most standards of consciousness formulated before GPT-2 released. They’re dumb in predictable ways, but so are human babies and horses and chickens and bees.

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Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Medical unconsciousness is a different thing. That’s not what’s being discussed here.

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- Tiresia@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Ah yes, you’re talking about an unprovable and unobservable thing that makes no testable predictions and doesn’t demonstrably correlate with any sort of behavior at all. That’s a very productive thing to talk about, I’m sorry for intruding.
  
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  - Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It’s very much observable - you’re observing it right now. Consciousness is an undeniable fact of being human, but it can only be observed from the perspective of the conscious being itself. There’s no way for you to prove anyone else is conscious because it can’t be measured. They can seem to act in ways that suggest consciousness and they may claim to be conscious but whether it actually feels like anything to be them is something only they know.
    
    Medically speaking:
    
    Unconsciousness is a state in which a living individual exhibits a complete, or near-complete, inability to maintain an awareness of self and environment or to respond to any human or environmental stimulus.
    
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    There it doesn’t imply the absence of experience. You simply lose awareness of yourself and your environment, but you may still keep having dream-like experiences in your mind.
    
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