Careful, lemmings hate it when you point out that voters and non voters are responsible for the government we have, or that it’s largely a reflection of the culture and society we propagate.
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Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoit’s practically the entire goddamn government.
Why don’t you draw the logical conclusion, and realize it’s the American population that elected the dumb motherfucker that is responsible for the entire administration. And an American population that also elected a congress that doesn’t do anything!
For fucks sake, Americans elected an obvious psychopath for president, with an equally psychopathic vice president!!!
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Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Absolutely, Trump is a symptom not the disease, American society is sick. That doesn’t mean all Americans are sick, there are good Americans. But enough Americans see psychopathy as an expression of freedom. So they are willing to vote for a clear psychopath. The disease in American society is like a cancer, it’s not all cells in the body that are cancerous, but it’s enough to make the society very very sick.
aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
“American society” is sick. Which Dreamland country where oligarchs don’t control the decisions are you from again?
The whole world is sick my guy.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oligarchs do definitely not control my country, because I live in a country that has full democracy contrary to USA that is a flawed democracy.
en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
But it’s not because the democracy is flawed, or because the oligarchs have too much power, the American society is literally mentally ill with widespread accept of sociopathy that is only seen in very few countries.
Examples of that are, 3 strikes and you are out, prisoners can’t vote, lack of healthcare for all, extreme fascist like bigotry against LGBT+, death sentence, police shooting civilians. and of course extremely high murder rate, and the most extreme rate of people in prison in the world.
All of the above points are caused by a complete sociopathic lack in society to fix these problems. But go with the sociopathic solution of just persecuting the victims more.
THAT’S the sociopathy of American society. That you don’t see any other country with remotely equal wealth express to nearly the degree USA does.
tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The American people are the most propagandised on Earth. Our education has been eroded over decades and we are steeped in a media sphere almost entirely owned by the wealthy which constantly discredits anything remotely socialist and tells almost nothing but lies about the outside world. People can’t even usually protest in a serious way without losing their jobs, and therefore their healthcare and housing. When protesters burned down the police station in Minneapolis in 2020, that was ranked with a higher approval rating than nearly any politician elected at the time.
Even if a good candidate is elected, the power comes from the wealthy, they will subvert any thing progressive using their trillions of dollars and surveillance panopticon.
So a lot of Americans did vote for this horrific administration, but most people don’t even know what they are voting for, and voter turnout is egregiously bad because most people don’t feel they can even trust what they are told about politics.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So a lot of Americans did vote for this horrific administration, but most people don’t even know what they are voting for
And the second time around?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even if a good candidate is elected, the power comes from the wealthy,
Exactly, taking your country back, should start with taxing the rich heavily. That would be a good start for Americans.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 weeks ago
Yeah it’s 100% on the people and not the constant onslaught of propaganda; the fake checks and balances that were actually escape hatches for the wealthy; the terrible propped up candidates, like the time the US population very much wanted Bernie, and instead got Hillary; AIPAC and other lobbyists permeating the government; nepotism; the ramping up of police funding; the capture of all media by the right; manipulation via companies like Meta, who have been involved in regime change and genocide before…
This is simple cause and effect which seems to be lost on a lot of people. Trump and his dipshit admin is losing traction daily when it comes to voter support because they can no longer uphold the lies. We’re now at the point where they’re telling us the pond is clear when it’s green.
But the people are 100% to blame for this one. We only had a metric fuckton of literature and predictions dating back over a hundred years telling us this would happen and that capitalism would absolutely collapse and corrupt in this way.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah it’s 100% on the people
Ultimately the responsibility is on the people. Who else would it be?
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 weeks ago
It’s on the people to break free of their chains and revolt, but they have to stop blaming each other first, and stop misidentifying symptoms as causes.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Electoral politics means nothing when the entire issue is rooted in the very foundations of the country and capitalism as a whole. One dumbass being elected isn’t an anomaly, he’s an inevitable symptom of the problems that have been there for ages.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So are you one of those that claim that Republicans and Democrats are the same?
That having a Republican controlled congress with a Republican president is the same as if they were both Democrat?
because if you answer that with a yes, I think I’m just gonna block you.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Spoken like a true lib lmao
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 weeks ago
Your comment assumes the people have real power. The parties are not the same but they also are in ways. This is the manufactured fight they shove us all into because it’s beneficial for maintaining their power and keeping us distracted. Both roads lead to a genocide continuing and they both allow the same people to maintain wealth. It’s not a blue vs red issue; it’s an us vs them one. It’s class war among the wealthy and the poor working class. You can vote blue if it helps you sleep at night, but just understand that it’s the equivalent of Maggie’s steering wheel in the Simpsons intro. The illusion changes on the surface but continues the same behind the scenes at the root, because they will never allow us to vote away their power.