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Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months agoBull, if it was ‘just about gathering data’ they’d go after Zuck and Musk too.
They’re amaerican. They already have them.
Further, if Russia were considered ‘mostly white’, NATO wouldn’t be trying to encircle and exterminate them. Try again.
Dude, if NATO wanted them destroyed they wouldn’t be as passive as they have been. It has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of Russian/Caucasian people in the west.
Further bull, America’s done everything in its power to keep forms of slavery in play; specifically pipelining the minorities they used to keep as chattel into prison slavery instead.
I agree this is happening, but is it because of race or because it’s an easy excuse. You can’t tell the difference.
Four hundred years of slavery, genocide, resource extraction, ignorance of sovereignty, and extrajudicial murder says what now? Tell your handler I said hi.
Show me a nation that doesn’t have exploitation and/or genocide in their past. There isn’t one. All nations exploit. Governments are corrupt. I’m not arguing the US is good, I’m arguing all nations are bad. You are just willfully ignorant. Whatever government you support (Russia presumably, by your instance?) it has exploited people at some point in time at least. It almost certainly is even now, or someone else would be in power.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 months ago
Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 3 months ago
Imma be real the people who argue like that online aren’t usually neurotypical lol
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 months ago
Maybe, but they’d in 9 of 10 cases literally rather die than admit there IS a divergent diagnosis there; so as long as they labor under that delusion, I’ve got no reason to treat them like they are divergent. I am not some pacifistic abbot in some 12th century monastery; if I read you as an opp, I’m not treating you with kid gloves and kind words.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Alright. Explain how China having their own ecosystem is better. I know what they’re all doing. You’re the one saying any one is doing it because of a race thing.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 months ago
Yup, I’m saying it; and I’m not accepting debate on the topic from anglos. ‘Debating’ you and yours is kin to trying to debate a sinkhole. Empty air flung down an indifferent, almost-smug pit. Any way out from under your thumb is a good thing, and I pray I live to get to watch your system crumble under your impotent fingers.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
You came here dude. I didn’t go to you to “debate”.
I pray I get to see it crumble too. However, I’m not dillusional enough to think it’s just one thing that needs to crumble.
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 months ago
Explain how China having their own ecosystem is better
This seems self-explanatory to me. The US will do whatever it can to instigate color revolution – having a record of doing so in the past, see Facebook being used for revolts in the Middle East – so having companies that ultimately need to answer to the Chinese government rather than the US one is better for national security. It’s also better for China’s own economic development to have domestic companies need to figure out how to make decent platforms.
China has no such record of instigating revolts and historically is much more opposed to infringing on the sovereignty of UN members (except Vietnam angery ).
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
This seems self-explanatory to me. The US will do whatever it can to instigate color revolution – having a record of doing so in the past, see Facebook being used for revolts in the Middle East – so having companies that ultimately need to answer to the Chinese government rather than the US one is better for national security. It’s also better for China’s own economic development to have domestic companies need to figure out how to make decent platforms.
Exactly. What they use it for doesn’t really matter, though implying China doesn’t use soft power to control nations is really dumb. They may not invade, but they constantly use and advance soft power to influence other nations. I’m not saying there’s anything particularly wrong with that as that’s what nations do. They do do it though.
sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 3 months ago
I agree this is happening, but is it because of race or because it’s an easy excuse. You can’t tell the difference.
things have multiple reasons, dummy
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Sure, it has multiple causes. Anyone intillegent is just using race as an excuse. China has an ecosystem almost exclusive to China. Is it because they’re racist or because they want control, or both?
spacecadet@hexbear.net 3 months ago
You might be surprised how many “intelligent” people can also be sincerely racist.
Also, I believe at least one reason people are upset with you here in this thread is because of how hard you are trying to “prove” the innocence of someone being racist, or “prove” the unreality of a system or institution being “truly/authentically” racist, when ultimately the end result is the same: pure racist outcomes. Even if somehow you could prove with full receipts that racism, as you claim, is used as a inauthentic tool for oppression, the energy you are taking up to hound this point is painfully disproportionate and misplaced, if even technically correct at all.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I can’t “prove” anything. However, a whole bunch of people coming into here to tell me how I’m wrong and it has to be racism from a certain two instances is a little hypocritical. They weren’t in this thread much until this, and they all flood in to tell me that I’m wrong, without any reason except “it just is racist.”
…when ultimately the end result is the same: pure racist outcomes.
No, the end result is not the same. People recognizing that all of these institutions are doing the same thing allows us to solve issues. However, some of the people here think that the institutions they like, for whatever reason, aren’t doing this. They come here to defend China or attack the US, but China has a firewall and generally has their own exclusive ecosystem. What’s different with the US forcing one app to be western owned? Is China doing it because of racism? No. That’s pretty naive. Thinking this can only lead to outrage at some people and can’t solve the actual issues because the wrong issues are being addressed.
Even if somehow you could prove with full receipts that racism, as you claim, is used as a inauthentic tool for oppression, the energy you are taking up to hound this point is painfully disproportionate and misplaced, if even technically correct at all.
Dude, I was here on my home instance and dozens of people show up to tell me I’m wrong from two other instances. I’m putting in too much energy? Why is it never you guys putting in too much energy, or you guys being the “debate bros”. You came at me.
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 months ago
Dude, if NATO wanted them destroyed they wouldn’t be as passive as they have been. It has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of Russian/Caucasian people in the west.
This is a bit silly. With how NATO works, they’d be inviting WWIII and do serious damage to ties with China that they are critically dependent on, and there’s a good chance the alliance would implode if they were that much more aggressive since many of the countries in it don’t want war, they just want to cower behind whoever has the biggest gun, to say nothing of the fact that the US government is already unpopular and would probably be forced to start conscripting soldiers, which would produce massive backlash. There are a lot of reasons for the US to stick to proxy wars for as long as it can manage.
sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 3 months ago
Cool, why haven’t any Black people been shot in China?
axont@hexbear.net 3 months ago
i hate when liberals do this, the “i hate all countries” thing. America invades another country every 3 years on average and this is just as bad as China, a country that hasn’t invaded anyone since 1979? What is this reasoning. This is like those Protestants who say lying about your homework is an equal sin as murdering someone
SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 3 months ago
It’s because it’s not reasoning, it’s a thought-terminating cliche to help them advocate for maintaining the status quo while not feeling like they’re in favor of the status quo.
sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 3 months ago
I’ve cheated on my homework before. So I guess it’s time to be deeply unserious
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I guess this was shared on hexbear or lemygrad. I’ll see it soon enough from there I guess.
Why does China not allow all western companies into their ecosystem? Is it because of race? Obviously not. It’s about power and control, and I’m not dense enough to think otherwise.