Define “actual” in this instance, please. How unassisted are we going to attain this genuine art? Non-digital? Or, do these hypothetical makers need to concoct their own pigments, too? 🤷🏼♂️
Comment on Hasbro CEO Says AI Will Become Core Part of Dungeons & Dragons
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“I’m probably more excited though about the playful elements of AI,” he said. “I play with probably 30 or 40 people regularly. There’s not a single person who doesn’t use AI somehow for either campaign development or character development or story ideas. That’s a clear signal that we need to be embracing it.”
So as a DM and Player, yes, there are uses for AI. Generating a good character portrait as opposed to scouring search engines is the obvious one. But I also had good useage with putting my loose outline in to AI story generators, while it only produced garbage cliches that I didn’t use. It was a good way to brainstorm and see different angles of my original idea.
Having said all that, I super duper don’t want AI to become a core part of DND/MTG, art in products should be ACTUAL art by ACTUAL artists. Not my 8 fingered free placeholder nonsense. I truly struggle to think of a good way that hasbro could be using AI that would help the game.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
C126@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Only art where you gather natural pigments with human hands, mix them yourself on a surface you made yourself out of fibers you gathered yourself shall be acceptable. Everything else isn’t actual art and is costing millions their jobs.
You know what’s funny? Professional artists probably use AI more than anyone. If not, they’re dumb. Why wouldn’t you use a tool that can 10x your output?
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I’m not saying there’s no artists using AI, but I am saying I’m friends with a lot, and in communities with a lot, and they all despise AI.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In terms of human perspective with digital tools AI’s difference of scale is a difference of kind. Photoshop fundamentally didn’t change the process and concept of producing images. It’s still a human sitting down with tools and producing art based off their ideas and rendered with their skill.
But AI removes that human process, now a string of keywords will mash up existing art to make a facsimile of something unique. AI doesn’t make anything new, it fundamentally can’t, therefore not really art. All of human culture is standing on the shoulders of historical giants, you and I can have this conversation because of someone else inventing computers, which exist because of someone utilizing electricity, which was only possible by the wheel, etc.
However I don’t think there is much to gain in criticism of an artist buying their paints from a store just as there isn’t any in artists using a mouse. Their perspective, skill and talent will produce something new, inspired by others undoubtedly, but not copy pasting brushstrokes. That’s just high level plagerism and intrinsically not unique.
I mean this is all philosophy of existentialism, what IS art and when does it become something else? The artistsy of the writers, painters and editors is what produces a compelling end multi generational international product like DND. Which is different than an end user using AI to spice up a character sheet inside the privacy of their own home.
AI is a wonderful tool, but only if the end use doesn’t really matter. My players and I don’t care about 11 fingered elves, but I’d be pissed to see that in a book I paid $50+ for. Just as I would be upset to read flavor text that recruisve of past writing or game mechanics designed by a machine incapable of actually running a session. If you are charging for a product, human artistry should be involved, anything else is free so who cares.
C126@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
AI can allow non artist to output art that’s somewhere between terrible and mediocre.
AI can allow a great artist to dramatically increase their output and therefore revenue.
AI can’t really help mediocre artists much.
Luddites going to luddite basically. This exact same fear occurs everything there’s a dramatic technology leap. Luddites like yourself will eventually quiet themselves.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well that’s dissapointing. You don’t want to discuss this, but act superior and name call.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This. History often rhymes. 🥲
Taiatari@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Naive hopeful me: maybe they will use it in the way it’s described. For gathering ideas, developing concepts. Hopefully a character generation tool. Where it leads you through step by step and keeps track of all things. Probably not gonna happen. Probably they use it to write the damn rule books with them including art.
dumples@midwest.social 2 months ago
They already have a character tools on both Dndbeyond and roll20. The rest are already in the “This is your life” section of xanathars. Nothing AI needed