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• froh42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Progressive Web Apps Modern Tab Management Cross Site Scripting (like “Web Macros”) Improved History Search Improved privacy containers (fighting browser fingerprinting) Clearer and more fine granumar permission concepts (like Android, “may this website do xyz”)

  that’s just the first that I can think about in the first 30 seconds

  Interestingly other than what you say, under the hood improvements still benefit the user, but Mozilla axed the Servo Engine (fortunately that project is still alive, now outside of Mozilla). I think a number of Javascript Apis are lacking in Mozilla compared to Chrome and others.

  I almost hate Mozilla as much as I do hate Google, because they are slowly letting Firefox die a death of unpopularity.

  But at least they can pay their CEOs a lot of money out of that sweet Google ad revenue.

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  • 8uurg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    • Progressive Web Apps - check the last update, it allows for the browser to create a shortcut to a webpage with minimal ui. (At least, on Windows)
    • Modern Tab Management - Depends on what you want exactly. But tab groups and vertical tabs have landed on stable already.
    • Not sure what you mean by Cross Site Scripting, XSS is usually an attack vector not a feature. If by macros you mean automation features, these do exist but are mostly focussed on developers & testing - you need an external application to use these APIs.
    • History Search - certainly could be improved, but I use it rarely enough as is.
    • (Improved) Privacy Containers - Is already being worked on
    • Granular Permissions - What exact permissions do you wish for there to be more granular? I personally don’t experience this issue as I find a lot of permissions to be quite granular already.

    A lot of Web APIs are proposed by Google, giving them a head start in implementation. Furthermore, some not supported by choice due to privacy implications.

    The CEO pay however: I completely agree, it is insane how much the CEO is paid while responsible being for purchasing and shuttering services like Pocket.

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    • froh42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Scripting - creating cross page macros, like you now can do with puppeteer etc. Have simple basic programming capabilities. Stuff like that now shows up with “AI” agentic browsers, but that’s too. much. I just want to set up macros, like “go to my timesheet page, click start, enter current time”. On a “Autohotkey for the web” level. (Power users instead of developers)

      Tab management - I’m working a lot with jira and other “wonderful” software. What would be nice would be showing multiple tabs at once (like opening several browser windows) , also maybe automatically creating a conceptual “tree” in the tab overview. That would require some configuration (on top of what normal vertical tabs do). For example confluence has a implicit tree, why shouldn’t the tab overview in the browser track that. A lot of web sites are ordered hierarchically. The only tab hierarchichy we currently have in the browser is a “i opened tab b from tab a” hierarchy

      History search - not using it is proof it doesn’t fulfill a desire. “Damn I recently was on a site that talked about how the confabulator works without causing wobbles in the swingmode arm” Trying to find that after you did open a few hundred other pages sucks. It would be nice to have positive and negative search terms, have a “near” operator etc. So that would be a full text search engine (which already exists) about pages I have seen in the past.

      Granular permissions: I only allow a page to enumerate the fonts it needs to use, not all of them so it can calculate a hash. I want to forbid it from accessing certain domains (Adblockers can currently do that) etc. You may/may not play video. The permission system is in place, but too coarse.

      And yes there are privacy containers, but not in a really helpful manner yet. They’d need to integrate with the above permissions, for example so I can put a web page into a jail of its own.

      All these aren’t well thought out features, rather I pulled them out of my butt. Still I feel there’s close to no innovation on the usability of a browser and we could need that. We still have the same interaction model as in the 90s with Mosaic - and while (of course) not every idea would work out in a good way, some things would be worth following up on. I’d expect that out of an organization like Mozilla (less so out of commercial browser vendors).

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Progressive Web Apps

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    Modern Tab Management

    Isn’t that already an extension?

    Improved History Search

    Could also be an extension, I bet.

    Cross Site Scripting (like “Web Macros”)
    Improved privacy containers (fighting browser fingerprinting)
    Clearer and more fine granumar permission concepts (like Android, “may this website do xyz”)

    That’s the sort of thing I meant by “under-the-hood stuff normies won’t notice.”

    I think a number of Javascript Apis are lacking in Mozilla compared to Chrome and others.

    No, that’s a good thing. Fuck JavaScript; it has way too much access to stuff it shouldn’t already. If anything, APIs need to be removed.

    I almost hate Mozilla as much as I do hate Google, because they are slowly letting Firefox die a death of unpopularity.

    But at least they can pay their CEOs a lot of money out of that sweet Google ad revenue.

    I think Google still deserves to be hated a lot more, but otherwise I agree. IMO there’s no good reason for Mozilla Corporation to exist; it should only be Mozilla Foundation (the non-profit part) and all board and management should be replaced with non-overpaid people who actually believe in the mission.

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