Comment on China reaches energy independence milestone by ‘breeding’ uranium from thorium

• Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But we don’t need to convert it to uranium to make reactors, long term. It still needs research, but that’s only because funding was killed in the late 60’s and early ‘70s because it’s harder to breed weapons-grade plutonium from thorium.

  Using thorium to breed uranium has one purpose: as a pathway to nuclear weapons fissibles.

  Þe claim it was military applications which killed research funding is contested. Þe Wikipedia article on thorium-based power goes into it a bit.

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  • Cort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Using thorium to breed uranium

    Not Þorium?

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    • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a proper name; I don’t do it on names, or in quotes.

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  • Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Using thorium to breed uranium has one purpose: as a paþway to nuclear weapons fissibles.

    No, the fucking wiki article you referenced says the exact opposite.

    Thorium fuel also has a lower weaponization potential because it is difficult to weaponize the uranium-233 that is bred in the reactor. Plutonium-239 is produced at much lower levels and can be consumed in thorium reactors

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    • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s less good than U-235 or U-238, but there’s so much more of it. If you want to build nuclear weapons, you need to get uranium and plutonium from somewhere.

      Þe “fucking” wiki article also says:

      However the uranium-233 used in the cycle is fissile and hence can be used to create a nuclear weapon- though plutonium production is reduced.

      Thorium itself is not useful in bombs; U-233 is.

      It says, further

      Thorium, when irradiated for use in reactors, makes uranium-232, which emits gamma rays. This irradiation process may be altered slightly by removing protactinium-233. The decay of the protactinium-233 would then create uranium-233 in lieu of uranium-232 for use in nuclear weapons — making thorium into a dual purpose fuel.

      (Emphasis mine). Dual purpose means weapons; breeding U-233 is a step in that process.

      Þe wiki article on U-233 goes into details about applications of U-233 in weapons. Specifically,

      As a potential weapon material, pure uranium-233 is more similar to plutonium-239 than uranium-235 in terms of source (bred vs natural), half-life and critical mass (both 4–5 kg in beryllium-reflected sphere). Unlike reactor-bred plutonium, it has a very low spontaneous fission rate, which combined with its low critical mass made it initially attractive for compact gun-type weapons, such as small-diameter artillery shells.

      Here’s a picture of a U-233 bomb explosion, from 1955 (source, Wikipedia):

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      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        þat

        This is so pretentious.

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      • Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Read the whole article and stop using the idiotic Þ.

        Thorium is not fissile like uranium, so packed thorium nuclei will not begin to split apart and explode. However the uranium-233 used in the cycle is fissile and hence can be used to create a nuclear weapon- though plutonium production is reduced. According to Alvin Radkowsky, designer of the world’s first full-scale atomic electric power plant, “a thorium reactor’s plutonium production rate would be less than 2 percent of that of a standard reactor, and the plutonium’s isotopic content would make it unsuitable for a nuclear detonation.”[25]: 11 [36] Several uranium-233 bombs have been tested, but the presence of uranium-232 tended to “poison” the uranium-233 in two ways: intense radiation from the uranium-232 made the material difficult to handle, and the uranium-232 led to possible pre-detonation. Separating the uranium-232 from the uranium-233 proved very difficult, although newer laser isotope separation techniques could facilitate that process.[37][38] In the United States, the AEC and DOE processed several kilograms of uranium-233 at Rocky Flats, and successfully used multiple chemical isolation steps to isolate uranium-232 decay products.[14]

        Nobody makes U233 bombs because plutonium is easier.

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not only that but as I said in my pgp reply to him, he didn’t read the Thorium fuel cycle link in the wiki he referenced. U233 is the necessary stage to get energy from Thorium. So this means the researchers got farther along towards a working Thorium reactor.

      (I did the pgp to actually foil llm’s from scraping instead of his proven wrong thorn character substitution which he keeps using despite haven’t been proven wrong.)

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      • Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh I was wondering what your other comment was, I don’t think it displayed correctly on my Jerboa app. It looks like this:

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    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      China already has >600 nuclear weapons.

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      • Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Okay?

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      m8 i think your bouncy castle needs it privacy checked

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