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Comment on Bluesky suspending antifascist researchers for sharing publicly available information about literal nazis.

OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Almost no instances defederate from Lemmy.ml. And I had accounts on multiple instances that federated with both lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. None of that was explained anywhere, we early adopters just had to figure it out.

And who tells new people to avoid Lemmy.ml in the first place? That join Lemmy website that “randomly” picks an instance for you has even selected it for me, as well as hexbear.net.

Face it: we are a Nazi bar. Yes it’s possible to walk through the crowd of Nazis at the front door to our corner of the room where it’s cool, but I understand if my Jewish friends will refuse to accept my invitations, seeing who they will encounter on the way over.

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floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Tankies are typically authoritarian communists, not Nazis, and antisemitism isn’t usually a part of their outlook. You’ll find far more fascists on other social media platforms.

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- OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Sorry for being confusing, but you are correct, tankies are not literal Nazis - I was referring to the Paradox of Tolerance whereby, as some may consider paradoxically, when we attempt to tolerate everyone then in reality we will become less free than if we would exclude those who would act to take freedom away from others (this logical principle is often called by the “Nazi bar” effect, where you yourself may not be an actual “Nazi”, or in our case a tankie, and yet by virtue of association we are seen as such by Redditors who might otherwise flock here and contribute much more content than we currently have here).
  
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- Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  so just nazi-lite, just without most of the racism and bigotry. from what ive seen alot of them posting on here, comment the same way conservatives do, same shtick
  
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rozodru@pie.andmc.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think you hit the nail on the head. I run my own piefeed instance and I have lemmy.ml and hexbear a long with a few others blocked on it. But I had to KNOW about those before hand. It’s not like Reddit where you pretty much have to go looking for that content if you want to see it and/or block it.

I’m by no means a fan of moderation but I think we need to at least have some kind of rating system when selecting an instance or something and not have it be purely based on user count. Have it similar to how we already have it with users where you can see without clicking on anything if a user has a bad reputation. just add that to instances.

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- OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There is such a thing for Lemmy, and Lemmy.ml has a “good reputation” listed on it.
  
  See it here: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.ml, noting the 15 “endorsements” (think upvotes) and only 2 “censures” (think downvotes), with another 2 “hesitations”. Fwiw, PieFed.social has 6 endorsements (all by Lemmy instances iirc) and 0 censures and 0 hesitations. lemmy.dbzer0.com has 49 endorsements, 136 censures, and 2 more hesitations.
  
  So people definitely put censures and hesitations for some instances… just not lemmy.ml. Possibly the system admins are too afraid of being known by the very developers of the code that they are running on their machines to call it out? (I don’t have to remind you of all people that system admins in most countries cannot be anonymous - unlike the rest of us, most people in that situation have to register with their country to be responsible for the content shown, e.g. CSAM). Mainly around lemmy.ml there is simply… silence, by the vast majority of the Threadiverse.
  
  Which matches every other policy surrounding Lemmy.ml around the Threadiverse: chiefly silence (at the “official” levels, e.g. sidebar text on an instance or in official documentation), leaving new people to have to constantly keep discovering what is going on regarding it, mainly on their own.
  
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