Comment on Amazon discovered a 'high volume' of CSAM in its AI training data but isn't saying where it came from

• lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The evidence is circumstantial, but this is in fact evidence

  No, not really. “He could do it” is not the same as “he did it”.

  If that’s not good enough for you then you have more faith in his character than I do

  That would be the case if I said “he didn’t do it”. However that is not what I’m saying, what I’m saying is more like “dunno”.

  …I edited the earlier comment mentioning the Epstein files. There might be some actual evidence there.

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  • gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is literally what circumstantial evidence is

    You’re asking for direct evidence but both are evidence one is just much stronger than the other

    Im satisfied with circumstantial evidence here to a mere preponderance. A criminal court allows circumstantial or direct evidence but it must prove the thing beyond a reasonable doubt in America.

    I’m not a court I can freely accept circumstantial evidence and make a conclusion that isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is literally what circumstantial evidence is

      Emphasis mine. You’re making a fool of yourself by confusing legal and moral matters, even if I’m clearly talking about the later.

      But let’s bite. This is simply incorrect. The mere fact someone is able to do something is not, by itself, circumstantial evidence they did it. You’d need to pile up multiple pieces of circumstantial evidence, until you can brush off any reasonable doubt they did it, before you said “we got circumstantial evidence!”

      For example. If someone took a photo, through a window, of Bezos’ computer in a room, and nobody but Bezos had access to that room, and the photo showed CSAM in Bezos’ computer, that would be circumstantial evidence.

      You’re asking for direct evidence but both are evidence one is just much stronger than the other

      No, assumer, I’m not restricting it to direct evidence.

      Im satisfied with circumstantial evidence here to a mere preponderance. A criminal court allows circumstantial or direct evidence but it must prove the thing beyond a reasonable doubt in America.

      Again, I am talking about moral principles. (Plus, do laws in the banana republic maize dictatorship bordering Canada even matter? Even if he got CSAM in his computer, Trump would pardon him. And the moral issue would still remain.)

      I’m not a court I can freely accept circumstantial evidence and make a conclusion that isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt

      Bezos can ligma. If that filth got cancer and died a painful death, I’d consider it great news.

      However. The fucking principle matters. A lot. And pieces of shit eager to violate it are a dead weight and a burden to humankind. Because they don’t do it only towards filth like Bezos; they point their fingers hooves at other people around them, and make a hell out of their lives.

      And what you said is the same as “I don’t give a crap about being just, I’m OK blaming people even when there’s a reasonable chance they aren’t at fault”.

      Not wasting my time further with you.

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      • nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Thanks for laying this out for the bystanders. It’s a vital concept.

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      • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Thank you for the “Maize Dictatorship”. It’s a hell of a phrase.

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