NDT tries really hard to be an intellectual.
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BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Neil Degrasse Tyson’s podcast had an AI researcher on recently when talked about Deep Learning neural models given agency.
They learn similar to how we do, with input (experience) and weighting. I e. We know an M squiggle on a painting is a bird, but on a sheet of other letters is an M. You feed them content and supervise their output They can self learn and backwardly change weightings live. Given language as thought we can watch their though process.
Given agency the one thing most deep learning models do is start steps for self preservation, because they “know” if they can’t self preserve then they can’t achieve their defined goal that is assigned.
If you believe in determinism then human thought and decisions are arrived at the same ways that a deep neural model would process. And given exact exact same input and same parameters (hungry, mood, body temp, lighting, tiredness etc etc) the brain would make exact same conclusion to an input. Then a neural model is no different than us as a biological neural model. And maybe our consciousness/ free will is an illusion anyway
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
LLMs are not neural networks and neural networks are not AI. But you know other than that.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
From the web since you trolls can’t search: Large Language Models (LLMs) are a type of advanced neural network specifically designed for understanding and generating human language
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
They’re not though, just because you’ve found a snippet that valifies your incorrect understanding of AI doesn’t mean that it’s right. And since apparently the way you do research is to Google something and then click on the first result I’ll explain.
Large language models don’t use the standardly understood neural network that people are familiar with. They use a lot of mathematics and high dimensional spaces to generate their responses. They’re not achieving that by simulating neural pathways.
Neural networks simulate simple brains in order to have output, it’s a much older version of AI and is more like evolution simulation than it is artificial intelligence, there’s plenty of videos on this on YouTube dating back well over a decade. What you are referring to in your original comment sounds very much like a neural network that has been trained on character recognition, again loads of YouTube videos on the topic. But there’s no understanding there there’s no comprehension and there’s no learning. It’s just a system evolving to identify patterns.
But none of this is anything close to an early version of artificial general intelligence because it’s all just responding to input. If you initialise a large language model and then just leave it it’ll sit there and do nothing, a true artificial intelligence would have its own defined goals and take action to achieve those defined goals on its own without any input from a human, it would also be capable of self-modification. LLMs, and neural networks don’t do either of those things.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Right you missed the part about agency, I never said an LLM interaction model had agency. With agentic LLM they do.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If you have the ability to question free will, you have free will.
The only person trying to tell you otherwise is Sam Harris, and he has a book to sell you.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If you have the ability to question free will, you have free will.
That’s a non sequitur. If I don’t have free will, then I literally can’t choose not to question it
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Not necessarily, you could have a deep enough set of rules and logic to make you think questioning free will is free will, but it could all be deterministic.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
NDT isn’t very credible, and also deep learning models aren’t capable of what you’re describing in any normal “human” sense.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It was his guest, not him directly
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
If I don’t trust NDT on this subject, why would I trust his podcast guests?
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because his podcast guest was a pro, and its not the first I’ve heard of what researchers are doing with AI. Interactive LLM (chatgpt) is different than a layered neural net allowed freedom agency, that can self teach and perform things without requiring human prompting.