Comment on In the Hamas/Israel war, why does Palestine have "hostages" but Israel has "prisoners"?

• redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  To talk about Israels propaganda in today’s social media landscape is propaganda itself.

  Pretty much on all channels there’s a between 10:1 and 20:1 relationship between pro Palestinian vs pro Israel comments.

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  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s great no? People are waking up to the propaganda. Seeing the reality of how our governments spin everything to justify whatever military objective they want to achieve.

    Ukraine? Defending against colonizing oppressors is their plight in any way possible and they are heroes!

    Israel? The colonizing oppressors are now the defenders! Defending against colonization and oppression is wrong and you’re not to allow to kill a single person ever!

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    • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh dear.

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      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “The media cannot bring both sides of the story, if you do that, you are only brining one. Hamas’s side.” - ex israel PM Yair Lapid

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  • NewDark@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren’t falling for it.

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    • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As I said in the other comment, not falling for one sides propaganda doesn’t automatically mean the other side is right. What we have on social media is propaganda for a supposed Palestinian side, but overwhelmingly it’s Hamas’ talking points, which are clearly anti Israel, but lacking in the “pro Palestinian” cause.

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  • nandeEbisu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In my experience, people aren’t citing Hamas propaganda as if it were fact, they give it the appropriate level of skepticism. They don’t do that with IDF press releases or propaganda from the Israeli government so it is worth pointing out that all governments and affiliated news outlets put out biased reporting during war time.

    Also, as a US taxpayer, my money is funding bombs being dropped on Gaza, they didn’t fund Hamas’ improvised rockets. Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza. As a result, I expect honest accountability of how those weapons are used.

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    • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza.

      They were bought from Iran, generally. Sometimes from other Iran-backed militants, which is the same thing

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      • nandeEbisu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Some of it, yes. Along with training. Either way, the only skin in the game I have regarding what Hamas does is as a human being who condemns terrorism against Israelis and the oppression of Gazans, but I’m not materially supporting it.

        With Israel my money is directly funding their weapons systems. I think it’s reasonable to demand that they not violate the Geneva convention and if they are going to bomb hospitals and refugee camps they at least have reliable evidence gathered beforehand that doing so will achieve military objectives of an appropriate magnitude that warrants it.

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• crashfrog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Throwing a rock at someone can cause grievous injury or death. We’re not talking about pebbles; they’re throwing multi-kilogram stones in an attempt to damage IDF property and harm IDF soldiers.

  And you may say “ok, well, that’s war; soldiers and their equipment are fair game” and that’s fair, but if you attack enemy soldiers that makes you a soldier, whatever your age might be.

  So the IDF can either capture and imprison these people, or they can shoot them. Sometimes they do - the prisoners held by IDF are the ones they didn’t.

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  • bababatman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The IDF are a colonial occupying army. I think the Palestinians are responding to them the way the entire rest of the planet would.

    Face it, team Israel is deep in the toilet, stinking of shit and sewage, and the smell ain’t never coming out. Not in this life time nor in the next.

    Called karma, dude.

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    • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The IDF are a colonial occupying army. I think the Palestinians are responding to them the way the entire rest of the planet would.

      Theyre neither colonial nor occupying. They’re invading in response to a foreign government massacring their people. The reason for the massacre was to force Israel to respond and thus damage Israel’s normalization of diplomacy with Saudi Arabia.

      Hamas isn’t fighting off colonial oppressors. They are engaging in politically motivated terror strikes designed to weaken the standing of a people they want to exterminate, at the cost of the lives of their civilians.

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      • NewDark@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If they aren’t occupiers…

        Why doesn’t Gaza have an airport? (it was destroyed in 2002 and not allowed to rebuild)

        What happens when Gazan’s go too far off the coast? (they get shot)

        What happens when they go past the border wall? (they get shot)

        But sure, maybe you like the term “under seige” better? Is that more accurate for you?

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  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Being a soldier illegally on someone’s land is highly illegal they have no business being in the west bank whatsoever but expanding their illegal colonies

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