Comment on In the Hamas/Israel war, why does Palestine have "hostages" but Israel has "prisoners"?

• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s great no? People are waking up to the propaganda. Seeing the reality of how our governments spin everything to justify whatever military objective they want to achieve.

  Ukraine? Defending against colonizing oppressors is their plight in any way possible and they are heroes!

  Israel? The colonizing oppressors are now the defenders! Defending against colonization and oppression is wrong and you’re not to allow to kill a single person ever!

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  • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh dear.

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    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “The media cannot bring both sides of the story, if you do that, you are only brining one. Hamas’s side.” - ex israel PM Yair Lapid

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      • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Confused. So that’s a thing where you agree?

        Or do you think that’s my position?

        Or do you just post something to shut down calling outs of propaganda narratives?

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• NewDark@lemmings.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren’t falling for it.

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  • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As I said in the other comment, not falling for one sides propaganda doesn’t automatically mean the other side is right. What we have on social media is propaganda for a supposed Palestinian side, but overwhelmingly it’s Hamas’ talking points, which are clearly anti Israel, but lacking in the “pro Palestinian” cause.

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• nandeEbisu@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In my experience, people aren’t citing Hamas propaganda as if it were fact, they give it the appropriate level of skepticism. They don’t do that with IDF press releases or propaganda from the Israeli government so it is worth pointing out that all governments and affiliated news outlets put out biased reporting during war time.

  Also, as a US taxpayer, my money is funding bombs being dropped on Gaza, they didn’t fund Hamas’ improvised rockets. Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza. As a result, I expect honest accountability of how those weapons are used.

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Those were cobbled together using material stolen from the people of Gaza.

    They were bought from Iran, generally. Sometimes from other Iran-backed militants, which is the same thing

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    • nandeEbisu@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Some of it, yes. Along with training. Either way, the only skin in the game I have regarding what Hamas does is as a human being who condemns terrorism against Israelis and the oppression of Gazans, but I’m not materially supporting it.

      With Israel my money is directly funding their weapons systems. I think it’s reasonable to demand that they not violate the Geneva convention and if they are going to bomb hospitals and refugee camps they at least have reliable evidence gathered beforehand that doing so will achieve military objectives of an appropriate magnitude that warrants it.

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your money generally funds the iron dome.

        Also this is kind of unrelated but I hate this kind of language because it so misleading:

        They’re only called refugee camps because Gaza is not formally a state. They’re modern cities.

        en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Palestinian_refugee_camps

        I’m not exactly a fan of how Israel is eating this war but engaging with truth is important.

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