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DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 year agoThat's what sucks about joining western social organizations, they sometimes don't support AES. I'm lucky I joined a marxist party that actually supports China and goes against the Uyghur genocide narrative (and they get blasted for it constantly).
But the thing is, as long as these people don't actively fight against China, they might still be worth a shot. If they really are a communist party with communist vision, good things can be achieved either way. And you might be able to change the POV from the people there. Or if there is another organization that does support China, you might consider joining them (or create one yourself but that's a lot harder).
I know it sounds counterproductive but you can't always have it be perfect 100%. It's important to still organize when possible. If there's a thousand people with the same opinions as you not joining because of this stance, you guys might never find eachother.
Weyland@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I made the mistake of saying that I got interested in socialism due to China and that I'm in support of SWCC. I thought they didn't have anything against China, only to find out that they (I'm in the Netherlands) copy-pasted most of the talking from the Communist Party of Belgium to show a semblance of activity. They didn't hold those views, or at least the recruiter I talked to didn't. And seeing as the other two people in that organization are still ghosting me after 2+ weeks I'm not holding out hope.
I wish there was a communist party that is transnational. As I don't plan on staying in this country.
DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I'm from the Netherlands as well and I live in Belgium now (where I joined the party). Which party did you wanted to join? I think BIJ1 is the most leftist party in The Netherlands but I don't know what they think of China. SP and PVDA have regressed to social democracy unfortunately. Maybe check if you can join ROOD jongeren?
I'm not familiar with an international party or even a Benelux one sadly.
Weyland@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
Apart from Rood none of those parties is actually Communist though. I reached out again to the NCPN, but if I don't get a reply by next week I'm just going to let it slide. What I don't get: seeing as getting a communist party off the ground in the West that can actually get a controlling amount of seats in any chamber of government is futile until we have a multipolar world where the global south isn't merely used as a commercial spot to scam money from the lower classes: why aren't more of the directions of these parties directed abroad? Like the CPC was literally helped set up by Henk Sneevliet, a Dutch guy.
commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I'd advise you to be careful, I have my suspicions about the NCPN, they give off a hint of controlled opposition, all the visuals but no radical substance.
DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I don't have a concrete answer for that I think. I think it's being a socialist party for your own people first and then focussing on other countries. It's sometimes hard to do both, especially when most marxist parties in the west don't have a majority in their governments or simply lack the resources for it. That being said, there are ways to help people in the global south. Supporting activists through Patreon for example or looking for organizations that do groundwork in developing nations. China is helping countries with their Belt and Road initiative.
Also, like you said yourself, there are not that many real, big communist parties in the west. A lot of leftist parties are socdem at best and they don't really have the intention to help the global south.
It's a shame really, but now that you mentioned it I will try to see if things can be done within my party regarding this.
commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
The Netherlands has the NCPN and its youth wing, but there is very little reading material on their stances apart from a measly selection of articles on their websites. And its not very encouraging either, they condemn the SMO in Russia and have a lot of annoying "Both sides bad" rhetoric. Although they are self proclaimed MLs, then again this is all I know from just reading about them online and occasionally coming across their posters in the streets.
DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I had never heard from them really so I had a look. You're not kidding lol. They have all these reasons why Russia did what it did and then go: but Russia also bad. No offense to them but they seem a bit 'all talk no action' if I glance through their website.