Comment on Why is anti-cheat always client-side?

Nemo@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• zephr_c@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure, but client side is also owned and run by the cheater. Do you really trust them to always run the anti-cheat honestly?

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  • Chozo@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anti-cheats are typically designed so that the user can't actually modify them at all. They install themselves deep into your system, sometimes literally in the form of a rootkit which basically runs parts of it completely invisibly from your OS, entirely.

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    • 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Anti-cheats are typically designed so that the user can't actually modify them at all.

      The problem is that these measures can be bypassed

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      • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The problem with the server only solution in that they can never detect the source of cheating, only the result of it.

        And detecting the result is inaccurate as there are perfectly natural network latency and other issues that can generate the same result as a cheat, as that's actually how many cheats are discovered and implemented, by noticing that network latency or weird traffic creates an exploitable condition.

        You need to run it on the client side to see if the natural circumstances are happening or someone is using tools to cause the circumstances. The first isn't cheating, the later is.

        You can't detect from the server side what the client side is doing without running anticheat on the client side.

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      • Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But it is complicated enough that most people don’t bother with it.

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    • zephr_c@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Of course, which is why all cheating has been eradicated forever. Certainly no game with a rootkit anti-cheat has ever had a problem with cheating.

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  • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can't check the source of cheating on the server side, as it is run on the client side.

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    • zephr_c@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can’t reliably check the source client side either, because the client side self-reports, and is where the cheat runs.

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      • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That's a statement in the same ballpark as "people who get vaccinated can still get COVID, so why get vaccinated at all".

        Seriously, where do you even come up with that level of daft argument.

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