But optimizing for low hardware does not mean its a win for everyone. For lot of people who have strong enough configuration does not care the performance at the portable level. There is no real benefit for them.
I don’t like the implied sociopaths in that assessment. It smacks of "i got mine, fucck you ". I’m not implying that is your attitude, just pointing out that people who don’t care because it does not affect them overlap the population that is all for fascism because they are in the “in” group and aren’t harmed.
Building to work well on low-end systems does not take from high-end systems unless the devs don’t take advantage of it when it is available.even then, they are not worse off.
I don’t know how you can even get to this conclusion from what I said.
It depends on the optimization for low-end systems that is being done, if it will have an effect to high-end systems. All I say is, that optimizing a game for Steam Deck does not mean it will have an effect to high end machines (btw my system isn’t even high end…, I’m not an elitist). In other replies I tried to give a few examples of what I mean.
A very simple example would be having low quality textures added to a game, to make it run with the constraints of the Steam Deck (or other low end machines). If the game was already running well at 60 fps with high quality textures, then it will not benefit from option to set low quality textures. And just to make it clear: I am not against optimizations for low end hardware. In fact I own a Steam Deck and love it and my PC is not even high end, some may even say low… (at least the GPU).
As I said in my comment, I was not implying you personally had any such attitude. I was commenting on my feelings about how that statement could be interpreted and the general attitude behind it is part of what I have in the past actually experienced when I advocated for the value of building for a less l33t configuration. The attitude by at least some and perhaps many is a weaponization of the attitude I saw in your comment (again, not seeking to imply you actually had that attitude).
When enough people just don’t care because the problem does not directly affect them, the problem is not addressed because not enough people care. That is what I was attempting to say. Thus, I apologize for the appearance of saying you personally had a “bad” attitude on this. It’s a common attitude and is a contributing factor to many real-world serious social problems, and I just don’t like it because of consequences on a larger scale.
I understand the issue here. I just wanted make my intentions crystal clear, as you was not entirely sure. Although, I do not entirely agree. Why? Because it is in the right of not caring other what affects you. Unless someone goes out of the way trying to stop the “optimization” for low end hardware, its totally fine if someone says “I don’t care, it doesn’t affect me”.
I am against elitism too. In example on a different subject, but similar reasoning is emulation vs real hardware enthusiasts. Those people don’t like how easy we have access to expensive games and hardware (for free) and therefore they are against it. This is the definition of elitism. And this is a different issue than people with high end hardware not caring about low end hardware, because it does not affect them. Not caring is okay to me.
When we are talking about for example 10 years from now it means the people with strong configurations today, will still be able to play new games with the same pc if the games are being targeted to a lower spec (at that time) pcs. So it will benefit everyone and it’s a win for everyone.
You make some assumptions about who will benefit. And those are not “everyone”.
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Optimization is good also for hi-tier rigs, since they can run cooler. Don’t see the problem in targeting a specific mid-range device. Lately optimization is not even done right on PlayStation by big developers, it’s just good enough.
Midnitte@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Not just run cooler, but smoother too.
The Moto X was the best phone I’ve ever used, and thays because they took the time to optimize instead of just throwing more RAM/CPU/GPU at the problem.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Low tier optimization does not mean its running cooloer on higher tier systems. In example if a game requires 16gb of VRAM for high tier setup, then developers optimizing the game alongside for low tier handhelds that have less VRAM will not change the fact for high tier. Therefore not everyone benefits from it. Similar to RayTracing or other features.
Not everyone benefits from games making run on Steam Deck.
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Optimization involves a lot of things. For example off-loading off-screen stuff, improving multithreading npc path-finding and other stuff using too much cpu cicles without any gain in quality. All these things could go under-radar if you test on hi-tier rig which may not get impact by these but of course increase cpu usage for, again, no gain at all. This of course heats hardware too.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
You count specific optimization strategies that affect everyone. But not all optmizations or in the case of our discussion, making the game run on Steam Deck, won’t affect everyone.
olaren_uwu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I get your point that not everyone “wins”, but the people with high end setup don’t loose anything if the game is suddenly playable on the deck. On the contrary, people with steam decks, people on linux and people on lower end system get to have positive repercussions. So while high end gamers migh not always gain somethig, it’s still neutral to them. Therefore, no one loses and it’s a net positive
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Neutral does not mean its a benefit. And not losing something was not the point of discussion or what i was talking about.