only if you insist on treating being a Nazi as something white men grow out of with age
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
some people in here are apparently perfect and don't believe others can grow and learn from their mistakes. what a childish self-centered perspective.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are there other incurable states of mind that would require people to be shunned forever?
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
yeah, arguing in bad faith
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Nope, just fascism.
zpiritual@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Is it something they inherently do? No. Is it something they can, of course just like anyone evolve over time. Especially when you’re into something just to be edgy.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
so it’s OK to be one as long as you’re just trying to be edgy? why are white men always left off the hook?
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
That’s not even close to remotely what they said. They said it’s easy to become one if you’re trying to be edgy. They never said it was OK. They said you can change and get out of it. If you were just doing it to be edgy, and not because you believed white people are superior, then it’s easier to change.
Argue in good faith if you’re going to argue. Don’t change people’s words to fight a strawman. It only makes you look stupid.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I watched a documentary recently about a former skin head who was getting his tattoos removed because he hated them because he didn’t believe that stuff anymore. I don’t remember his age, but he had to be in his 30s.
You don’t “grow out of it” but you can learn that you were wrong. I’m not saying that anyone should support pewdeepie, but it should be encouraged when people change their views like that. Even if he’s being dishonest, it should be encouraged that he’s telling others it’s wrong, and also that it’s more beneficial to not do that.
The goal should not be revenge, it should be less hate. Revenge only puts us further away from what we supposedly want.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
if anyone wanted revenge on him, it would be extremely easy for someone to find him and do him harm. stop trying to make cancel culture against white men a real thing. Felix is one of the richest YouTubers in the world. he would be unemployed if the reality you’re painting existed.
let’s stop acting like Nazis need to be personally hugged and kissed on the forehead until they stop being violent
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
stop trying to make cancel culture against white men a real thing.
Where did I say that? I just said revenge doesn’t gain us anything if it prevents people from becoming less asshole, or spreading that behavior.
let’s stop acting like Nazis need to be personally hugged and kissed on the forehead until they stop being violent
Let’s stop acting like former Nazis are just as bad as existing ones. Unless you’re going to kill him, shut the fuck up. He exists and is going to use his platform, whether you like it or not. I’d rather it not be used to promote Nazism.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m willing to believe he might have learned from his mistakes, but he was 27 when he did the most egregious things. More than old enough to know better. The older you are when you do stupid shit, the harder it will be for people to forgive you.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Here’s the problem with public figures in particular: they have an extrinsic motivation to make others believe they’ve changed. You can’t actually know if they’re doing it for the money or because they actually believe it.
The same issue goes for doing good too. Do people donate to charity because they want to or because they want people to see them? Is it still good if it’s the latter? Is there a difference functionally?
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
100% agree, but this logic applies to everyone, not just public figures.
they [public figures] have an extrinsic motivation to make others believe they've changed.
Replace public figures with people and its just as accurate. Nobody wants to be the bad guy, even demon-spawn incarnate, Stephen Miller tries to put everything in a positive light "detaining violent illegals" vs "breaking innocent families apart and sending them to concentration camps".
Judge people based on their actions, not their words.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I agree, though it’s to a much lesser extent. Regular people can find a small group that support whatever views that have without any push back. Public figures make money (or get elected, or whatever else) off of public perseption, though this sometimes creates a situation where being bad is positive for them too.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah no… It’s very easy to not behave like a fucking Nazi.
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
You're exposing your privilege and lack of understanding other perspectives.
Not everyone grew up knowing the impact words or phrases have on marginalized communities. I reflect on the day I learned women think twice about going for a runs at night. Growing up a white-passing guy in a relatively safe neighborhood, the possibility of getting raped was a foreign concept, but a sad reality for many women. In that same vein, you lack the humility to consider people like me, who grow up in an environment where slurs were common and "just a joke".
I've educated myself, learned from my past, reflected on how my actions may have impacted others at the time and walked away from ignorance. I am not who I used to be, and we must allow people to grow, or would you prefer to see no change?
If you grew up perfect, you should feel blessed that you've had the opportunity. Not everyone gets that.
01011@monero.town 3 weeks ago
Why do you say that?
Look at all the so-called “subtle bigotry” that predominates western media and then ask yourself why you expect anything else.
Zaleramancer@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Bruh, he literally paid some people to wave a sign that said, “Death to all Jews.” Link to Vox
“Subtle bigotry,” my ass.
01011@monero.town 3 weeks ago
I did say " subtle".
I wasn’t talking about mainstream shit but I wasn’t thinking about him per se. More so commonly watched movies, TV shows and the manner in which the news presents certain people and parts of the world. I’ve never seen his content.