Submitted 3 weeks ago by Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz to steamdeck@sopuli.xyz
Funny how the comments in this thread went from “haha he’s degoogling on YouTube?” to “do you believe in rehabilitation?” - “HE’S A NAZI!!!”.
It truly feels like back in the good old Reddit days. You either get popcorn or your pitchfork. There’s nothing in-between.
he brought it on himself by accidentally naziing several times, even while he ostensibly apologized after he got called out for it.
he has had a hand in normalizing this shit we’re in today and people are right to be angry at him. especially since his alleged rehabilitation has been as quiet as his nazi winks and nods were loud.
i do believe in rehabilitation, but i think for someone his size you can’t just do it quietly. you have to be against it and try to right your wrongs. that’s what hunter avallone did for example, and he’s significantly smaller than pewdiepie.
pewdiepie’s damage was much more consequential and he has a responsibility to do more than not casually naziing anymore.
What did this “quiet rehabilitation” even entail? Did he actually take responsibility for the dogwhistles?
I think the algorithms are setup to monetize outrage and he got big precisely because he was willing to say and do anything for attention.
If not for the algorithms we’d probably not ever have known who pewdie pie is and tbh we’d all be better off forgetting about him.
That’s human nature. People are complicated, and everyone has negative and positive aspects to them (granted some have mostly negative or mostly positive traits). It’s a lot easier to have a black and white opinion on people, either you really like someone or you really don’t like someone. When dealing with thousands of famous people that you don’t know, simplifying your opinion on them to a black and white opinion is a shortcut we take to keep from getting overwhelmed.
I like to eat my popcorn with a pitchfork, thank you very much.
To keep your hands clean? I can respect that.
That’s exactly it. Either you join the pitchfork faction or you stay out of their way. To me the funny thing is the delusion that typing angry comments into a phone makes people social activists.
i don’t really know if the linux community should be claiming the guy who casually drops the n word like he breathes air as our guy.
FFS, it was years ago, no one is claiming him as “our guy”, and he’s an extremely influential person so just take the win.
Yeah. Guy does a few Nazi things and anti-Semitic things a few years ago and he has to live with that reputation forever? . And come on, why are you living in the past? Just because Kanye straight off said some Nazi shit every few months? Dude, separate the art from the artist!
Oh, and Kevin Spacey did a bit of rape back then. But it was so long ago!
And while we’re here, Bill Cosby drugged those girls in the 70s. Like my dude, who wasn’t a little edgy back then?
Was it a repeated occurrence?
No, and he apologized
Yup. We see this with StopKillingGames too where it is “Well. So what if asmongold literally advocated for genocide and ethnic cleansing? He is on our side and that is what is most important!”.
pewdiepie I think mostly fell off the past few years so no idea if he has shown any sign of growth. But it is still a GREAT message to say “Racism is less important than my OS of choice”
Pretty much. The whole “Internet is forever” doesn’t mean shit if you can be a dick and then throw money to PR fix your reputation.
Serious question.
Do you believe in rehabilitation? I think its admirable for someone to overcome their shortcomings. Especially considering that we are all products of our environments.
To my understanding he apologized for the horrific things he said in the past and is attempting to better himself as a person. I don’t see him continuing to be a problematic person.
Who here hasn’t said or done regrettable things?
As we watch Kanye, Asmongold, [random influencer] continues to say and encourage their fan base to believe in the most terrible shit…
Remember that if their actions start affecting too much of their pocketbook, they can just apologize. Oh, and pay PR shills to clean up their mess.
PewDiePie spent years putting that belief out in many different ways. What you saw in the news was just what was reported.
Do you have any evidence that he’s made an effort to make up for his behavior that goes beyond words? This is an honest question, I never followed him because of random happenstance, so I don’t know.
I don’t claim to know him but I think he was a foolish kid who is now learning the error of his ways. He never struck me as someone who was intentionally malicious but rather someone who is very uninformed and didn’t realize it. He said it once in a stream, he used it to mean basically “asshole” when someone killed him. I’m sure he knew it was racist, but he probably didn’t know the WHY to why it was or the real cultural significance it has in the US, he’s swedish, he’s so far removed from American culture. And I don’t think he realized the impact of saying that and some of his other comments had on his young impressionable fans.
It SEEMS like he’s becoming more politically left leaning and has unlearned some of his bias he had in the past. I don’t know for sure but I hope he is.
I was gonna say, isn’t he a shithead? I don’t really know. Maybe he grew up.
🍿oh this comment section the good stuff.
YouTuber…Degoogling
Nobody tell him.
Yes let him remove his source of income in order to be the most rightous!!! It’s respectable that he’s doing it as much as he can
Also youtube is so widespread it’s the best way to spread positive messages, even against YouTube and Google themselves
I think he’s already set for life and he’s doing YouTube just for fun. I’ve heard that other YouTubers said that PewDiePie is incredibly wealthy because he invested a large percentage of his income on his heyday as a YouTuber. Looking back he only have two editors at most working at his videos and didn’t do “flexing” content.
But the point is that he won’t be able to reach people if he didn’t post on YouTube. He already kicked up a storm on the move to Linux video and this kind of exposure really helps with the general population.
I don’t see the problem here. Just because you upload stuff on Youtube doesn’t mean you need to be tied to every other service. This isn’t something like being a vegan where if you wear leather boots, you’re not a “true vegan”.
Black and White thinking is the death of any movement you’re 100% spot on, everything has nuance
Even to your point about boots, there are some people who are vegan (by their definition) and wear leather boots. Arguments can be made that leather will (in specific circumstances) result in less animal harm in the long run, and while I don’t personally justify leather this way, I can understand how some have these perspectives.
The real issue is labels. As soon as you apply one, you are subject to everyone else’s understanding of that thing. In my experience, if you don’t meet their understanding of said thing you’re dismissed as not being a “true x”, or it’s “if you truly are X then why do you do y?”
This is why I never refer to myself as vegan/vegetarian and just “I don’t eat meat” (or a more specific statement as needed).
I never say I’m a leftist/socialist I just gestures vaguely at American politics believe that’s kinda fucked and shouldn’t be done that way.
I even dislike saying I’m an urbanist because, even though I despise car-centric design, I’ve been called out for the sin of hiring a car when I visited my hometown last (generally I cycle everywhere or use PT, but I had an ankle injury so woe is me I guess)
At some level we’re all hypocrites, ones intentions are far more important, and shouldn’t be dismissed as easily as they are. What’s more important is to align your actions with your beliefs, be open about what you believe in, be open-minded when someone’s beliefs don’t align with your own, be ready to adjust your beliefs based on new information and experiences but most of all:
Be kind.
I mean he already addressed that in his video to be fair lol
You’re assuming OP watched the video at all 😁
Good, an influencer in the millions of followers is bringing visibility to FOSS and independent technology.
Bad, he said the n word once and joked about jews when he was in his early 20’s.
Hmmmmmmmmm…
The scale is balanced.
You don’t have to be a committed fascist to be criticized for normalizing fascist dogwhistles and symbolism.
That being said, it was a long time ago and while he hasn’t apologized, I do think he understands it was stupid and wouldn’t do it again.
Joking about jews or saying the n word never made anyone a fascist. Fascism didn’t even include antisemitism, it was just added later on because of Germany’s policies. Calling pewdiepie a fascist is wrong intellectually, historically, politically and ideologically.
The only people normalizing fascism are the ones calling everything fascist and making the word lose power and giving new blood to the idea of fascism.
Fascism is a very specific thing, born in a very specific country and with a very specific ideology. Not every authoritarian country is fascist. Not every racist idea is fascist.
People were idiots before fascism. And they can be idiots without being fascists now too.
It’s the same as calling communist everyone that ask for minimum wage or free/cheap healthcare. It’s dumb.
I love his new path in content. Seems like he grew up to be a positive influence in the ethical tech regard.
I still remember his arch linux vid he did
Impossible! Nobody can remember something that happened a few weeks ago!
all anyone has to do to have their dick glazed by the Linux/gaming communities is to throw a few sieg heils and n-words around.
you’re part of the problem why being a racist is profitable on social media.
Second message I’ve received in the same night filled with anger, judgement, and name calling.
Odd.
I encourage you to go into conversations without assumptions. Ask questions and be curious. Keep anger at bay.
I am not a follower of his, but I am certainly an advocate for de-<insert mega tech company name here>ing having just finally rid myself of Micros**t, which was preceded by getting rid of almost all of the family streaming subs.
The Steamdeck is actually a great device for this simply because it is a very functional pc in desktop mode. Throw in a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, with even a generic dock and it can rival most laptops, especially with the added video capabilities it already has.
I find myself using it as a pc almost as much as a gaming device, just because it works so well for both.
I have been thinking about not replacing my laptop and just getting a steam deck (or a Lenovo?) kb, mouse and a bigger external screen if I need it.
Will that work ?
I use mine as my main desktop pc. I’ve put cachyOS on it (handheld edition).
It depends on what software you need to run though. I’m a programmer so Linux for me is great but it might not support all the software you currently use.
I still have my old laptop, again running cachyOS, for sitting on the couch or going portable. I have tried using the deck on its own sitting in a dock with a Bluetooth mouse and KB. It works fine but the screen is very small so I prefer the laptop.
You could maybe try dual booting your laptop with a beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu, fedora, or bazzite (if you want gaming) to dip your toe in the water before fully diving in.
Yep
Its a solid stand-in for a mid-tier laptop! Most everyday laptop stuffs like web browsing and code editing it drives like a charm!
Don’t expect too much, though! From my experience video editing is a bit too heavy for the lil guy - and some softwares can be kinda tough to run due to the sandboxed nature of steamOS (eg visual studio code, librewolf).
I think switching to another OS like Cashy or (if it doesn’t get axed?) Bazzite would probly be the way to go if you intend to use it for more than simple apps & web browsing!
Pretty interesting usage of his Steam Deck. I feel like it was overkill lol. But as he said, sometimes it's cool to just use what you have.
If he’s “going all in on deGoogling”, perhaps he should be using a Youtube alternative?
I know it seems kinda ironic. But the way to reach lots of people is to post on YouTube. If you want to reach people and stop them from using google you’re not going to reach them on some obscure platform that no one uses.
And the people using those obscure platforms have already degoogled so your basically preaching to the choir if you use them.
There is no real Youtube alternative, he talked about still using Youtube in the video
Please list here all the alternatives that also pay their creators and let you run ads:
Wasnt yt adds laughably underpaid and thats the reason all the videos have sponsors nowdays? With that in mind, he is big enough to switch and keep his sponsors/clicks
Any idea of this guy made any significant impact when he installed Linux recently?
Linux has had a major increase in usership lately if I recall right, and supposedly windows has lost a major number of users (although mostly people dropping desktops for just phones).
No idea if PewDiePie contributed or not.
I also started using Bazzite recently, but not because of him. But this new video is giving me ideas on what other things I can do. The Linux one popped up in my suggested videos too, and I thought there was good starter information there too. I don’t really know much about him otherwise.
Arch forums have seen a massive uptick in users
This thread is killing me. I’m really tired of how open-source people and gamers are so quick to forgive and move on, all under the veil of we don’t care about politics. Well, how fucking lucky for you then! What, do you think the people who care are having autistic hyper-fixations on politics? Is that it? Like, I don’t have less depressing hyper-fixations to have, maybe? Well, I’m glad to see that it’s all working out great for you! Now, if you could stop looking at yourself for a minute, that would be great!
Fuck. Bigots.
We should not allow them in our spaces like that. We should not welcome them with open arms because they have lots of subscribers and it gives us exposure! We have enough far-right dipshit in our communities as is.
Oooh, but what about redemption?! What about rehabilitation?!
Listen people, I grew up in a far-right home. I was a far-right dipshit for a long time because of that. But the difference is, I haven’t been called out for paying some guys to write some heinous antisemitism on a sign, after I’ve been called out for dog whistling to Nazis in an apology, after I’ve been called out for shouting out a Nazi in a video about channels, my name wasn’t dropped live by a Nazi shooter, and I certainly didn’t invite fucking Ben Shapiro on my program to review memes to my millions and millions of followers!
Come on! We’re not talking about a guy who said something cringe on Twitter 12 years ago here. It’s not about believing that we’re perfect and being self-centered, as I have read in this thread. It’s about having some fucking standards. I am forgiving. I know that people can change. But there are fucking limits as to what I’m willing to accept.
This is so tiring.
fucking finally some common sense. they’re basically trying to paint anyone who brings up his pattern of white supremacy as a cancel culture extremist.
all this incel reactionary bs is because y’all refuse to admit you were wrong during gamergate and are still on the wrong side of history because you refuse to listen to feminists or anyone who’s not white.
He is still a fuck head
And a poopie nose!
“Degoogle!” ~ Someone on YouTube, a platform owned by Google
On the Steam Deck there is Google too, there is the sponsored Chrome install and cloud saves uses Google servers
maybe this might revive Pewdiepie grow???
What a roll model.
Im obviously misunderstanding what they mean by “note taking” app, right?
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
some people in here are apparently perfect and don't believe others can grow and learn from their mistakes. what a childish self-centered perspective.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah no… It’s very easy to not behave like a fucking Nazi.
blah3166@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You're exposing your privilege and lack of understanding other perspectives.
Not everyone grew up knowing the impact words or phrases have on marginalized communities. I reflect on the day I learned women think twice about going for a runs at night. Growing up a white-passing guy in a relatively safe neighborhood, the possibility of getting raped was a foreign concept, but a sad reality for many women. In that same vein, you lack the humility to consider people like me, who grow up in an environment where slurs were common and "just a joke".
I've educated myself, learned from my past, reflected on how my actions may have impacted others at the time and walked away from ignorance. I am not who I used to be, and we must allow people to grow, or would you prefer to see no change?
If you grew up perfect, you should feel blessed that you've had the opportunity. Not everyone gets that.
01011@monero.town 3 weeks ago
Why do you say that?
Look at all the so-called “subtle bigotry” that predominates western media and then ask yourself why you expect anything else.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
only if you insist on treating being a Nazi as something white men grow out of with age
blah3166@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
It may not be common, but it does happen:
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are there other incurable states of mind that would require people to be shunned forever?
zpiritual@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Is it something they inherently do? No. Is it something they can, of course just like anyone evolve over time. Especially when you’re into something just to be edgy.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I watched a documentary recently about a former skin head who was getting his tattoos removed because he hated them because he didn’t believe that stuff anymore. I don’t remember his age, but he had to be in his 30s.
You don’t “grow out of it” but you can learn that you were wrong. I’m not saying that anyone should support pewdeepie, but it should be encouraged when people change their views like that. Even if he’s being dishonest, it should be encouraged that he’s telling others it’s wrong, and also that it’s more beneficial to not do that.
The goal should not be revenge, it should be less hate. Revenge only puts us further away from what we supposedly want.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m willing to believe he might have learned from his mistakes, but he was 27 when he did the most egregious things. More than old enough to know better. The older you are when you do stupid shit, the harder it will be for people to forgive you.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Here’s the problem with public figures in particular: they have an extrinsic motivation to make others believe they’ve changed. You can’t actually know if they’re doing it for the money or because they actually believe it.
The same issue goes for doing good too. Do people donate to charity because they want to or because they want people to see them? Is it still good if it’s the latter? Is there a difference functionally?
blah3166@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
100% agree, but this logic applies to everyone, not just public figures.
Replace public figures with people and its just as accurate. Nobody wants to be the bad guy, even demon-spawn incarnate, Stephen Miller tries to put everything in a positive light "detaining violent illegals" vs "breaking innocent families apart and sending them to concentration camps".
Judge people based on their actions, not their words.