Consumers make their voices heard as Microsoft's huge venture flatlines in popularity

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https://www.xda-developers.com/microsofts-huge-venture-flatlines/

It’s showing no sign of budging.

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Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Isn’t copilot that horrifically invasive LITERAL spyware that screenshots everything you’re doing?

GEE WHIZ WHO WOULDN’T WANT THAT

Gods fucking damn it Microsoft, get a clue.

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- jqubed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Copilot is Microsoft’s name for their AI service, like Google’s Gemini or Chat GPT. Recall is their service that will screenshot everything you do for ~~training~~ improving the results.
  
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  - pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I think you have to have copilot installed to have the recall spyware though.
    
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- Funky_Beak@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Literally final straw that made me jump exclusively to a linux distro.
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  GEE WHIZ WHO WOULDN’T WANT THAT
  
  The promise of Copilot is this fanciful idea of automating every job that involves as computer.
  
  So employers love this, because it is supposed to usher in a drastically smaller office fully of middle management prompt engineers who can simulate a new worker with a few button clicks.
  
  That’s the dream. That’s who it is for in theory. In practice, the technology doesn’t work.
  
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  - gramie@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In theory there is little difference between practice and theory. In practice there is.
    
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  - null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In my industry it’s an incremental improvement.
    
    Potentially the current tech could make firms 10% more productive if fully realised. That’s my estimate anyway.
    
    It’s not a game changer.
    
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- salacious_coaster@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You’re thinking of Recall
  
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- Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That’s recall, copilot is clippy on steroids.
  
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- Hegz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I kind of want to see the chat boards where people who think this is a good idea hang out and justify it…
  
  With sort of the same way you stare at a train wreck, morbid curiosity.
  
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  - Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Bet it’d be nauseating as watching /r/conservative
    
    Just a massive circle jerk with continuous copium-huffing
    
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  - Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Just thinking of this reminds me of a conversation i had with a c-suite gronk back in the day.
    
    “What about the cloud? Should we just get rid of our citrix and use that??”
    
    The suit tiers are full of idiots who used chatgpt once for an incredibly simplistic task and are now obsessed with jamming it up everyone’s arse
    
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Comment from the source:

Microsoft poisoned their own well with all the changes they have been forcing on users lately. The update nagging, resetting the default browser to edge, the the ads in windows features, and integrating bing into the start menu have all trained users that when Microsoft starts pushing something new, it probably isn’t great and should just be ignored, like ads in phone apps.

That ^. So much that.

Also, the copilot llm itself sucks. Local models are neat within their limitations, and they’d be even better if Microsoft made them trainable/customizable, did better RAG, or whatever, but they just shoved a bad thing down user’s throats, and now they’ve poisoned another well.

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- Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It drives me insane when I randomly get Microsoft telling me to finish setting up my PC like 5 years into owning it and all its trying to do is get me to reset my default browser to edge. Fucking annoying as shit.
  
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- Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The funny thing is, that microsoft has been doing that for years now and people just ate it, including forced updates, changes to default applications, limitations on hardware etc. It’s kinda funny that copilot is the drop that made the barrel spill.
  
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- VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ve been neutral with Microsoft upgrades for years. Annoying, but not enough to want to change.
  
  But after Cortana, I’m done in with upgrades. I’m sitting on Win10 forever until SteamOS fully works for every game i own.
  
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YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Linux mint is free and works really well. I switched six months ago and with I would have years ago

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reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
They didn’t budge on Recall either. All of this is just driving away customers.

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haywire7@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
They forced something nobody asked for or had a use for beyond the quick what does it do? Then wandered why no one used it? Shocked Pikachu face.

The meta one in WhatsApp, utterly pointless. Copilot non-use to me at all. Gemini has less features than the old Google assistant and is worse in every way at doing the things it does do.

It would be great itlf they’d stop reshaping a working OS around fads.

Tablets went nowhere and left a big scar on Windows and now AI is gonna do the same.

They missed the boat on the one thing that could have made them money, gaming. If they’d put half the effort of this copilot crap into integrating something to compete with steam around that time then things would be very different.

This AI bubble needs to pop. It’s had it’s fun, it has some niches but for day to day usage at work and home it’s of no use to the vast majority of people.

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- OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah there’s nothing I like more than having AI integrated into everything I do. It’s sure fun to have educated guesses crowbarred into everything I do!
  
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  - spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Uneducated guesses.
    
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- JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Gemini is such a joke. I long pressed my phone’s button while driving to send my wife a text with voice to text. Gemini pops up and is like “I can’t do that”. Then I ask it to switch back and it gives me instructions on how. I can’t do that while I’m driving though. So annoying and useless. Couldn’t navigate anywhere either or okay my music.
  
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- polle@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Still wonder to this day why microsoft, with all their experience with the xbox, that they never made windows be able to behave like a konsole. I have an gaming pc at my tv and the times that some random popup or program suddenly has Focus is way to high. You still need a fucking keyboars. At least my main computer is Linux <3
  
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mjhelto@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Corporations have always hated labor because it’s always their highest cost. It’s why layoffs are the first to be used, and usually the largest way, to cover up bad profits for shareholders. Anything that allows a corporation to cut labor costs, even at the expense of their entire service offering was bound to be adopted as thoroughly as possible, regardless of public sentiment. They keep hoping more data will be the key to get AI to replace the cost of having to pay workers!

Thing is, last I read, humans have not produced enough written works (in all of human history) to make AI good enough to replace labor.

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- easily3667@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Layoffs used to be less common prior to the itinerant CEO being the main type. Layoffs as a performance for shareholders even when it’s known that they hurt the long term stability of the company is 80s/90s.
  
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pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Glad to see it. It begs the question though, if they could get computers to want to talk to other computers and Microsoft could somehow make money, would that make them happy? Is computer to computer business something corporations want?

That’s right; Microsoft Copilot’s weekly user base is only 5% of the number of people who use ChatGPT, and it’s not increasing. It’s also worth noting that there are approximately 1.5 billion Windows users worldwide, which means just over 1% of them are using Copilot, a tool that’s now a Windows default app. This is quite scary from Microsoft’s point of view, which has put so much effort and money into its AI ventures that it really cannot afford for its business to dwindle out so soon.

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Wytch@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
M$ doing work for Linux’s case

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crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Honestly I feel as though peak Windows was XP. Windows 7 was probably the last good OS they released but man could XP run on almost anything.

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- Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Min Reqs: 233 MHz Processor, 64MB RAM, 1.5 GB Storage… it could probably run on your car key fob.
  
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  - themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The other day I read a post by someone who was wondering, and yes, the IC in a standard usb-c cable is (marginally) more powerful than the computers we used to go to the moon.
    
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- swelter_spark@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Win 2k was my favorite. Ran well and gave the user total control over the system.
  
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abscond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The guy leading Microsoft AI, Mustafa Suleyman has apparently been failing upward for years.

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- athairmor@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  This kind of thing makes me lose hope for humanity—the tendency for psychopaths to rise in power. Maybe that actually helped us advance to a point but it’ll definitely hold us back from evolving to something more equitable for all.
  
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SplashJackson@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Invasive-ass Clippy bullshit profiteering from genocide and forcing itself on the world against everyone’s consent, Gates must be rolling in his grave

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- pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Gates must be rolling in his grave
  
  Eh?
  
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  - SplashJackson@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    My fellow Canadian! Sorry, I was speaking from the future.
    
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omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have a copilot license through my with and it’s so useless.

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- vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  and our manager sounded so proud to announce it. I just don’t use it, but lowered my standards instead. If they want us to use more ai, then ai quality work is what they’re going to get. It has indirectly made my job easier by helping me give less of a fuck.
  
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- AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Of all the LLMs I’ve used for productivity assistance, Copilot is hands down, far and above, the worst. As far as I know, it’s leveraging ChatGPT APIs (correct me if I’m wrong), and even ChatGPT is better than Copilot (not by much).
  
  Claude has really reigned supreme for my use cases, but I know that’s anecdotal.
  
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Flyberius@hexbear.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Good. Hopefully we’ll see that bear out with all these other useless ai integrations

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vin@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Doubt microsoft cares much about copilot. It’s like bing to them. Just have a foot in that boat.

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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Microsoft Bob has joined the chat, ready to high-five.

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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Realistically people aren’t going to not use Windows

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- salacious_coaster@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ve agreed with that for years. But I think there’s going to be a last straw soon. Microsoft is practically abandoning support for most of its products in favor of milking a relatively small number of mega corps for all the license fees it can get away with. If anyone ever takes privacy seriously again, Recall could force an exodus from which Microsoft might not recover.
  
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TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Copilot and Gemini are the worst for AI imo. Microsoft’s AI is antisemitic af (in terms of being nothing but zionist regurgitating trash) and it just up and decides to stop talking to you for no reason. Unreliable and racist LLM. And then Gemini I hear isn’t any better. Not that any are gret but bottom of the barrel def goes to Microsoft.

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- AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I agree with you that Copilot and Gemini are the worst, but why’d you keep going, lol. Jesus dude.
  
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  - TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I didn’t?
    
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