Dakota Johnson on ‘Madame Web’ Blowback: “I’ll Never Do Anything Like It Again”

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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know why studios keep meddling.

  She said the script she signed up for was way better, and what got released is completely different

  Like, I know some stuff will always change. But this comes up so often and it’s just producers fiddling with shit

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  • snooggums@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is often over looked when people wonder why someone might sign up to something that is a trainwreck, and it usually comes down to the final film being far different than the original vision. Hell, a movie can be destroyed during script rewrites, bad scenes, and even during the editing process! Bladerunner has multiple versions based on editing the same filmed scenes. The theatrical version was ruined by insistence on a voiceover and the final cut is the best version due to what they cut out or left in.

    This one sounds like the Bladerunner theatrical cut being ruined by execs, and that does suck.

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The best known opposite example is Star Wars (A New Hope). When George Lucas screened it for Spielberg, Spielberg didn’t know how to tell George how terrible it was without ruining their friendship. George gave his steaming pile of shit to his wife and she and her editing partner literally built the classic we know today from it. George learned his lesson and gave Empire to someone else to direct and his wife to edit.

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    • thefartographer@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hancock

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  • zaphod@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know why studios keep meddling.

    Movies get expensive. Studios are afraid of the risk and want to play it safe. They start meddling.

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    • tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And then they ruin it. They should understand their limits and realize they’re hurting the bottom line by not trusting the people who know this stuff better than them.

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  • flumph@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I attended a conference where a former 20th Century-Fox executive talked about the way she meddled in the trailer process with technology. It’s all about numbers and metrics – if enough people, in the right demographics, didn’t watch the whole trailer on YouTube, they’d cut the next trailer to cater to that group. Even if it wasn’t a great representation of the movie; her bonus depended on people watching the trailer.

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  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Money people want to be artists.

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• Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The real lesson here is never be in a Sony superhero movie. 9 times out of 10 they fuck it up.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is it some sort of scam where they have to make the movie or they lose the rights to them? I can’t think of any other reason for shit like Morbius.

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    • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep. If you watched madam web you will clearly know how bad the movie looks. The spider lotus fan film is better than madam web. That’s how bad it is. Morbius atleast had decent visuals.

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    • Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes. That’s good they’ve kept Spiderman.

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  • realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it's animated they deserve a pass

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    • IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Spider-verse movie are some of the best comic book movies ever made. Sony should, um, maybe make more of those best movies ever made.

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    • kboy101222@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly the DC animated movies are mostly great. Not high art or amazing, but fun superhero films.

      My guess is that the animated department has way less oversight

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    • Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      While I understand that opinion. I think low stakes, or a non tentpole movie. If it’s big enough to make some executive look good, they’re bound to stick their soulless noses in and screw shit up.

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  • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was originally thinking about this while looking up some background actor.

    Like, for many of these folks, these shitty movies pay bills. Many aren’t living a life of luxury. And if you get chosen for a Sony superhero film, And the pay is good, why not take it?

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    • Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Integrity?

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  • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But when they get it right they really get it right. The whole Miles Morales storyline came out of no where and fucking exploded.

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    • GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In my mind it was great because it was an animation and execs think anime is dumb, so they won’t meddle with it. If they ever make a live action Miles Morales story it’s going to suck.

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    • Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hence, the 1 out of 10. I agree, the Morales series is very good.

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• MargotRobbie@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, making a good superhero movie is harder than people think. At the end of the day, studios are risk adverse, and making a woman focused superhero movie is seen as riskier as it is more niche, which means they are more prone to interventions and design by committee, so it is a self perpetuating problem.

  Speaking of which, Lemmy plug “Birds of Prey” (also starring some crazy clown woman) here today, in my humble and totally unbiased opinion, it’s a pretty fun superhero movie that more people should watch.

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  • 1simpletailer@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Birds of Prey remains the best film to come out of the DCEU and it’s a damn shame it’s been slept on.

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    • CitizenKong@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, James Gunn’s Suicide Squad blows it out of the water. It’s definitely one of the better ones though.

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    • MargotRobbie@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Birds of Prey remains the best film to come out of the DCEU

      Starring the best (and also the most humble) actress in the DCEU, too.

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    • TheControlled@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought it was insulting boring. Sometimes very bad. None of it made sense and the editing/pacing was trash. HQ and some good moments though, and her performance was good. The Suicide Squad was better by a country mike IMO.

      乁⁠༼⁠☯⁠‿⁠☯⁠✿⁠༽⁠ㄏ

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  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    youtu.be/0Uq_5bYGYoY

    While we’re on the topic of female driven action movies. This one got lost at the box office because it was released in early 2020. Shame, because it’s smart and exciting and doesn’t follow all the ‘revenge’ tropes people are used to.

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    • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This reminds me of SALT and The long kiss goodnight, both excellent female lead films.

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  • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like that one, too! It’s no dramatic piece, like Dark Knight or Winter Soldier, but it’s a rocking good time. It knows what it’s trying to be, a silly Harley Quinn and company movie. I wish the little kid was less annoying in the movie, though lol.

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    • MargotRobbie@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s no dramatic piece, like Dark Knight or Winter Soldier, but it’s a rocking good time.

      You get it.

      But I still wish it did a bit better at the box office though…

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• TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cassie died on the way back to her home planet.

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  • ericisshort@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    More accurate would be to say she died on the way to the box office. I highly doubt these statements are going to negatively affect DJ in any way since there’s zero chance the story will continue.

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  • natecox@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m poochy the rockin’ dog!

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, this is the second bad franchise she has been in.

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  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    50 shades is at least competently made trash, not designed by committee

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    • Bloodyhog@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It also brought in a handsome box office. Does not mean it is a good movie (it was properly horrible in my view, could not watch it, but some of the reviews were fun!), just that people with tastes different to mine exist in numbers. From what I can see about the new release, we won’t be able to use this defence here.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The movie franchise got worse as the book’s author started to interfere more.

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  • EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s a shame, because it’s very easy to be typecast as an actor when you repeatedly star in flops, and while few directly criticise her performance in either movie, I imagine she’d be concerned that she’ll be the first name on the list for lazy cash-grabs, and bottom of the list for anything she’d like to do.

    It’s why I question those that criticise her for criticising the movie. After all, this is her career, and if there were shenanigans that resulted in a poor movie that wasn’t what she expected to come out, she should call it out.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  As she’s previously hinted during the movie’s publicity tour, Johnson said the project’s script about a paramedic with psychic powers was radically changed from what she originally read.

  But sometimes in this industry, you sign on to something, and it’s one thing and then as you’re making it, it becomes a completely different thing, and you’re like, ‘Wait, what?’ But it was a real learning experience, and of course it’s not nice to be a part of something that’s ripped to shreds, but I can’t say that I don’t understand.

  My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart, and executives have started to believe that they’re not.

  Even if films start to be made with AI, humans aren’t going to fucking want to see those.”

  “Like, ‘Dakota Johnson Breaks Her Silence On Madame Web’s Fucking Box Office Failure,’” the actress said with a laugh.

  Over the weekend, Johnson’s co-star Sydney Sweeney likewise commented about the film’s reaction while hosting NBC’s Saturday Night Live, quipping in her monologue, “You have seen me in Anyone but You and Euphoria.

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• Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How many more of her films do we have to criticize before she agrees to quit the industry entirely?

  Because I’m willing to put in the work.

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  • kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s gross. If you don’t like her, don’t watch her films

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    • Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah sorry I’m not gonna feel bad about criticizing Hollywood’s least charismatic nepo-baby whose presence is taking job opportunities away from actors who pursued the career the right way rather than merely having the right parents and connections.

      I think it’s important to make the distinction that nothing wishing fame, fortune, and incredible opportunities for somebody is not the same as wishing ill on them. I don’t want her to suffer some poor fate, I don’t want her to get in any way harmed, I don’t her to be miserable. I just don’t want undeserving stiff acting being rewarded with fame and wealth when other vastly more deserving people could be taking those roles.

      And yes, I feel this way about all nepo babies.

      And frankly, actors in general; once you’ve made your mark on the industry and secured a comfortable wealth for you and your family, retire and allow those opportunities to go to others, but obviously that’s vastly less egregious than people being raised to pinnacle of culture just for coming out of the right vagina.

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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sad to say but she’s wrong. The general populace doesn’t give a shit about authenticity in film. They want brainless films with lame, repetitive jokes and Minions and/or Groots.
  People will trip over eachother to watch a film by their favorite superhero company before even considering whether the last one they saw was worth watching or not.

  Just like car enthusiasts, keyboard enthusiasts, FOSS enthisiasts, et al. mainstream films are not made for the enthusiasts—they are made for the average consumer to make a profit.

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  • Perfide@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean… Madame Web is doing worse than Morbius. Clearly even the average consumer isn’t interested anymore.

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  • ursakhiin@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Starting by saying, I haven’t seen this movie so this is an outsiders opinion.

    This appears to be completely different than your standard super hero fatigue. Some movies are just bad.

    That said, the Groots things you’re expressing aren’t new. Action movies have always had dumb plots filmed with one liners all over. The feelings you’re expressing is that Super Hero movies are just also action movies. Personally, I find them more engaging and entertaining than non-super hero action movies specifically because they aren’t trying to be realistic but also have a continuity that I enjoy. That’s not a general populace thing. That’s a specific reason I enjoy them.

    The minions complaint is just super weird, though. Those movies are tailored to kids. Literally zero adults should be taking them as more than a kids movie.

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• Rodeo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart

  Wow that’s funny because my feeling has always been exactly the opposite. It’s why quippy, vapid bullshit like the Avengers and star wars is so popular.

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  • Plavatos@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Gonna have to agree here, how else could a movie like Beverly Hills Chihuahua get made and also have two sequels.

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  • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re definitely Professional Movie Reviewer material

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• kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is too much angst to carry around for AN ACTOR. Get a grip

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  • disgruntledpelican@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    God forbid a woman has an opinion on her own industry!

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