Safer doesn’t mean perfectly safe.
You could much more easily die from over consumption of alcohol than you could from smoking weed.
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DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 months agoHealth wise?
Depends. If you’re an edibles fan you’re set, but smoking is smoking, cope.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Is being able to die the only variable? Seems like a comparison of only the extreme.
Having a few glasses of wine a week with food is fine. Smoking a joint from time to time is fine.
Being dependent on any psychoactive is harmful to one’s mental health regardless.
smooth_tea@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No level of alcohol consumption is safe when it comes to human health, according to a WHO statement released in January, 2023. The data behind this dire warning come from a 2021 study that estimated the number of incident cancers attributable to alcohol consumption in the EU in 2017—light to moderate drinking (1–2 drinks per day) was responsible for 23 300 new cases of cancer. New Canadian guidelines take a strong stance too, suggesting that any more than two drinks per week puts your health at risk. Does this mean the days of safely enjoying a tipple are officially behind us?
www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/…/fulltext#:~:t…)00073%2D5-,Alcohol%20and%20health%3A%20all%2C%20none,%2C%20or%20somewhere%20in%2Dbetween%3F&text=No%20level%20of%20alcohol%20consumption,statement%20released%20in%20January%2C%202023.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ok, point taken but who the fuck fills out those medical surveys correctly. The only time I ever could is when I would consistently smoke a pack a day. I’m not fucking tracking how many times I have an drink and certainly am not consistent about drinking from month to month.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hey cope, thanks for the reply. Consider how we use alcohol to make things like turkey, pork etc tender. Alcohol breaks down fibrous connective tissue, so your bourbon-bbq pulled pork is especially soft and succulent.
Now, consider what happens in your body. A toxic agent reaching all corners of your body, vs an irritating cloud of ash which gets trapped in your alveoli. Neither is good, but evidence strongly suggests that it’s harder to hurt yourself with flower vs booze.
For the record, I partake in both on occasion, but I definitely think alcohol is worse for me, personally. Everybody’s different.
retrieval4558@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Agree. I work in an ICU and see the effects of alcohol and tobacco CONSTANTLY. I’ve seen a serious problem from cannabis once.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe you haven’t yet learned to recognize the impacts of marijuana on people
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 11 months ago
This pales in comparison to the damaging effects of alcohol on the heart and the rest of the body
Styxia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
From the health.com link that references this article includes edibles
Previous studies have suggested that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the molecule responsible for the psychoactive effects of cannabis, acts on receptors that are found in the central nervous system and in the heart and blood vessels. This interaction between THC and blood vessels may provide a pathway for cannabis to promote inflammation and the buildup of plaque, ultimately leading to CAD. The same effects would not necessarily be expected with the use of cannabidiol (CBD), another active ingredient in cannabis and hemp that is commonly extracted for products that do not contain THC.
So you are indeed correct. To a point. The ICU observation doesn’t minimize the risks of cannabis but provides a perspective on the prevalence of the issue, and the tone in your responses is likely behind the downvotes you are lamenting.
Regardless, thank you for sharing the links, they were helpful.
retrieval4558@mander.xyz 11 months ago
It’s very possible we haven’t learned to recognize them. (although that fact also implies that the effects are subtle, doesn’t it?)
Thank you for the links. I didn’t have time to review them all in detail but I did take the time to find the study that Forbes was referring to ( because a sample size that big is very interesting, even if it was just a population study.
Their inclusion criteria were people who had Cannabis Use Disorder documented on their chart compared to statistically matched people who did not. They tried to control for socioeconomic factors.
In my opinion, it’s worth noting that people who end up with that chart diagnosis are going to be on the heavier end of users, as the majority of people who use pot don’t report it to their doctors nor end up in the EDs with cannabis related complaints.
In comparing the two populations, they found that the ABSOLUTE RISK (not relative risk) of adverse cardiovascular events was increased by 0.9%. Notable limitations to the study include that they don’t know exactly how much cannabis each person was using, they couldn’t fully control for tobacco use, and (imo) the exclusion of people with previous cardiovascular events was limited to a 2 year lookback, which may be a bit limiting.
So the conclusions we can draw from this is “within a population of the heaviest cannabis users with greater than average healthcare exposure, risk of CVD goes up by less than a percent.”
I’m totally willing to believe that it presents some risk- I just think it’s more likely to be even less of a factor (or at least in the same ballpark) in the development of CVD than things like diet and exercise.
Comparing this study to some established numbers on tobacco can be helpful here. A quick search on the medical database UpToDate showed me some data suggesting that in heavy smokers, the risk of CVD was 600% greater (relative risk), which is 10 times higher than the 60% relative risk increase that we saw in the cannabis study.
doi.org/10.1111/add.16337 cannabis study pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8565161/ tobacco study
XpeeN@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
It’s because of combustion tho, right? using a dry herb vaporizer will prevent that then
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re right. Just trying to counter the very confused people saying a glass of wine everyday is good for you lol.
XpeeN@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Yeah ik, just pointing that out for the people that just rules out inhalation of weed because of combustion.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Weed is much safer than alcohol, even if you smoke it
Zehzin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Whi tf is smoking alcohol
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Dad, mom says you’re supposed to get off Lemmy and help cook breakfast
tacosplease@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People on YouTube with a plastic bottle and a bicycle pump. You pressurize a bottle with a little bit of liquor and then depressurize it very quickly. That makes a vapor that can be inhaled and actually gets you drunk.
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 11 months ago
You could also drop ethanol in a dab rig but any method of ‘smoking’ alcohol is incredibly dangerous as it gets you really fucked up really fast and can lead to alcohol poisoning with only minor fuckups. Also it’s going to hit way harder and not last as long because it’s going straight into the blood vs being absorbed by the stomach
player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Check out dry herb vaping, the safest way to “smoke” weed without combustion. Still not perfect but way better in every way.
kattenluik@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Tinctures are great.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There is new research that marijuana may be bad for your heart.
Sidhean@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Instead of asserting this raw, try linking to a source. You won’t change anyone’s mind like this (or rather, you will, but “source: trust me” is a pretty shitty way to go about that
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The top post on here has someone claiming bud is safer without linking, but they are greatly upvoted. I hope you have the same feedback for people with opinions that support your biases.
ucsf.edu/…/marijuana-and-e-cigs-can-harm-heart-tr…
Sidhean@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Did you even read these? They just say weed can pose a health risk, which, no shit. And on the top comment: there’s a difference between “I think” and “studies show.”
Anyway, learn to read (sources and probably brush up in, general) and don’t put words in people’s mouths ^-^
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Safer, not safe
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At least some of us know how to properly parse words lol
ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Glass of wine with dinner is 100% safe, if not beneficial.
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 11 months ago
This is false. Alcohol is never beneficial. This is a debunked myth.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not beneficial, both your comment and your attempt at rationalizing use of booze. In excess, both are bad.
The point, which hasn’t changed, is that it takes a lot more smoking to cause damage equivalent to what booze causes, even in small amounts.