[Discussion] What are you're thoughts on a Steamdeck with a PSP Go form factor?

Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨seatwiggy@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨steamdeck@sopuli.xyz⁩

I just found out the PSP Go was a thing and I really like the idea of having the screen slide up to reveal the controls. I think this would be a great way to make a more compact version of the Steamdeck. I don’t know about the low form factor joysticks though. I’ve never used anything like those before and I’m not sure how they’d feel to use. Maybe it would just be something I’d have to get used to. Regardless, I’d love to hear what other people think about this idea.

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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Much of the “slider” form factor died out early for a very good reason.

The simple reality is that the more moving parts you put on something, the more parts there are to break. It’s why phones became boring rectangles, hand-held gaming devices became slightly less boring rectangles, and why physical buttons were phased out of mp3 players, phones, etc…

Physical things cause complexity. Complexity disrupts efficiency.

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bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think the main factors for the size of the Steam Deck and other similar handheld PCs are the size of the APU and heat dissipation. You’d get some serious performance degradation if you went much smaller. Even the Nintendo Switch is a similar size.

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- Darorad@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The switch is quite a bit thinner, but it’s running decade old arm silicon, so less heat to get rid of.
  
  And you’d lose that slimness if you had to put the controls on another layer behind all the components.
  
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  - bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s my point. The Switch still is relatively big compared to a PSP or DS despite being relatively low powered (compared to the Deck). For now you have to sacrifice a lot of computing power to hit the form factor of a PSP.
    
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- peanuts4life@beehaw.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I agree, but maybe it’s time for a Linux based Nintendo DS / PSP sized device? I mean, Nintendo has abandoned these truly pocketable consoles. Maybe with a die shrink they could fit something 70% as performant as a deck into that form Factor?
  
  I personally know a lot of people who miss the DS and don’t game anymore now that the platform was dropped. Casual gamer types.
  
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  - bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Those already exist based on Raspberry Pis or similar SBCs. I once sold some pretty cheap (cheap, not low cost) ones with the intention of making enough money to be able to afford one for myself. Until I realised that it’s much cheaper to slap a controller on my phone and call it a day.
    
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- candyman337@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  youtu.be/WdHF1x-jK4I?si=yZhogz0lVxeY3Nqw
  
  This thing is larger in size but is a similar form factor. For PC gaming and I don’t see anything getting much smaller than this for another few years at least. This thing is really cool though, this to me looks like the most viable handheld for on the go PC gaming I’ve seen. Really short battery life tho.
  
  I think once arm starts to become more common, and/or other RISC based platforms gain mainstream traction, more games will work on ARM based processors, and in turn we’ll start to see smaller and longer lasting PC gaming handhelds. Or at the least, handhelds with PC graphic quality.
  
  But it will happen eventually, you’d blow someone from the 90’s mind if you showed them a 3Ds, it all just takes time.
  
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  - seatwiggy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I agree. I didn’t think it would end up anywhere near the size of a PSP but I thought the sliding form factor would help a bit with compactness. It would help with portability too as you wouldn’t need a custom case or those sticky things to protect the joysticks.
    
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  - conciselyverbose@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    lol at the sliding form factor for a keyboard you can't reach.
    
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Eggyhead@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think I would still stick to the current form factor. Repairability and comfort are of greater concern to me at this stage in my life than pocketability.

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Beefytootz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I used to have one of those. It’s was definitely neat, and managed to survive a while, but I don’t think it’s a good idea. The biggest issue with something like this is that it adds more moving parts, which in turn increases wear and tear. For the screen to move, you’d need to either use a ribbon cable, or have weird contact points that only work in certain positions. Both of which aren’t great. Ribbon cables flex for a bit, but eventually tear, meaning no screen. The goofy contacts is slightly better, but eventually the sliding mechanism may go out of whack and now it isn’t making contact correctly.

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shigutso@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d rather have better hand grip and ergonomics than small form factor. I used to play on my PSP and DS/3DS all the time, but yeah nowadays the Steam Deck is the best for my hand

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helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think not having joysticks would be a dealbreaker

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- seatwiggy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There would be joysticks. They would just be a different style. They’re low profile and slide more than tilt. I don’t really know how to explain them
  
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PastaRhythm@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Low profile circle pads for joysticks aren’t bad at all IMO. Some people dislike them. Depends on the person.

I don’t think I would want a Steam Deck in this form factor. The current Deck honestly feels like the perfect size for me. Not too big to be unruly, not too small to be uncomfortable. I totally understand the appeal of a pocketable device, but I’ve come to realize that I really just don’t have a need for a device that portable and would rather have something bigger. A device this small wouldn’t have the same number of inputs and would greatly compromise on comfort. That’s mostly a me thing, though. Plenty of people want smaller handhelds, so a smaller handheld PC could probably find an audience.

I would love an Android smartphone that’s like this. Not a gaming-centric device like a Retroid Pocket, but something that could be my daily driver smartphone while also offering physical controls for a quality gaming experience. Basically the Xperia Play, but modern. It would be far less cumbersome than carrying around a gaming device in addition to my phone, making it much more practical for me.

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- jacksilver@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I was just about to mention the Xperia Play until I read your post. It wasnt the best phone, but it let you play pretty much anything up to the PS1 era on your phone with a physical game pad.
  
  Its crazy that it still seems ahead of some of the android retro consoles you can find today, given the sliding screen and, at least in my option, decent ergonomics.
  
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Rez@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Never held a psp go in my hands, but from the videos I’ve seen it looks horribly uncomfortable

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CaptDust@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d love something closer to the vita I think, I don’t need the slide mechanic it’s just something else to break. Pocketable steam deck, hell yes.

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AnonTwo@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Technology isn't there yet.

There's certainly handhelds in the PSP go form factor already, but they use much smaller OSes than the steamdeck uses, and still have to make sacrifices usually.

Like you'd probably just get a quick-boot to a retroarch variant for emulation and thats the entirety of the OS you'd get.

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- IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What do you mean smaller Os? There is a PSP shell mod that runs on a Raspberry Pi, which runs a Debian fork. Sure it’s not fast enough for Steam games but it’s still runs a Linux desktop environment.
  
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  - AnonTwo@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Technically the mini retroarch is also on linux, but that's not what people think of when they think "I want to run it like I do the steamdeck"
    
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- infinitepcg@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The GPD Win 4 runs Steam OS. It has a faster processor than the Steam Deck, more storage, higher resolution, etc.
  
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kotats@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s a terrible idea even though I love it lol.

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Thcdenton@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Nah I’m happy with mine just as it is. Really curious about the Deckard tho

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conciselyverbose@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It needs the space for battery and cooling.

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the_el_man@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I own a psp go. I think a chunky (thickness) and larger one would be interesting. My psp acts as a clock when docked which is cool. But I think slide is dead as people have said. The buttons on psp are very thin. Certainly be hard to do trackpads etc.

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steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There’s already a few gaming handhelds with a sliding screen. See below:

ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-SLIDE.html

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Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I liked the 3ds stick, but with the metal mod. The stock rubber one could not handle smash bros. The psp one wasn’t quite to my liking and I couldn’t get used to it. I didn’t have any mod for that though.

Maybe recessed normal sticks could work too because the device would still have to be fairly thick. It sounds like a nightmare to design, assemble, and repair though.

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Hello_there@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There's a ton of those out there and they don't offer a lot more than what the steam deck can already do.

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mrfriki@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The thing I love the most about the Deck is having full size controllers on a handheld device, something that neither the Vita, PSP or Switch couldn’t gave me. So, for me, this idea won’t work.

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cordlesslamp@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The PSP Go form factor was a MASSIVE FAILURE for a reason. It received heavy criticism for the unintuitive and uncomfortable feeling.

So what do you think?

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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Looks gross and awful to use. I’m gonna go controversial but every psp was a piece of trash. All the psps without two joysticks sucked and the ones that did had crap joysticks. The games on psp sucked more than free games on the android store.

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