"The problem with TikTok is not whether it is based in China or the US. The problem with TikTok is TikTok." - (Tuta blog)

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Everyone saying “it doesn’t matter that TikTok is based in China” is actually just saying that they don’t have any real understanding of how the CCP runs shit in China. It matters very fucking much that the government under which TikTok was created was the CCP.

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The vast majority of people using TiKTok have no idea what the CCP even is.

    And hey, maybe they could be educated about that!

    But that education isn’t going to happen on TikTok under the control of the CCP.

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    • MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’d wager that most people are familiar with Communist China.

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  • MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Meanwhile we accept everything else manufactured in China in our shared ignorance.

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    • Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I would avoid Chinese phones, network gear, and other computer hardware as well.

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• turkishdelight@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Every bad thing about Tiktok is also true about Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You’re right. I hope you’re not saying that in order to defend TikTok but rather to support banning Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram too.

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  • 0x815@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have to disagree, not every bad thing …

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A moronic and incorrect take

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    • turkishdelight@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Found the American :)

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Your ignorance won’t stop me from knowing everything about you.

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  • ReallyKinda@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You probably couldn’t reasonably sue a chinese company for mis-use

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    True but it’s an order of magnitude worse on Tiktok. All of it.

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    • turkishdelight@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      why worse? It’s just exchanging American spies with Chinese spies… Both are bad, but Americans are worse

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• cloudless@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It definitely matters. It is being use as a propaganda tool.

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  • huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Propaganda for what?

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    • 0x815@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      @huginn

      One example:

      TikTok Facilitates CCP’s Arrest of Uyghurs in China

      The Uyghur Times has documented at least 20 individuals who vanished after sharing videos criticizing the Chinese government on TikTok between 2021 and 2023.The International Version of TikTok has a long history of suspending or suppressing users who share content criticizing the Chinese government. That is why you don’t see Uyghur activists on this platform; that is why so many people don’t know what is happening to the Uyghur people.You may not care, but we Uyghurs are clear about one fact: TikTok is the genocidal arm of the Chinese government.

      You’ll find a large number of examples on how the CCP censors their web.

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• Mikufan@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And that its Chinese.

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  • SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I feel like pointing fingers at China is kinda missing the point that we are not legislating collection of user data because it is also a major source of revenue for non-chinese software companies.

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    • 0x815@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, but China is strongly using this as a propaganda tool, e.g., by censoring any content that is not aligned with the CCP’s ‘official’ narrative. I know that ‘the West’ does that also once in a while, but by far not to that extent. You can criticize the U.S. or the EU or any government on social media without consequences.

      That said, I’d say it is irrelevant whether or not it is a source of revenue, may it be Chinese or non-Chinese companies. I don’t use these tools bc I don’t want to be spied on 24/7. But that’s just my opinion, there is a large audience out there for such media.

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    • Mikufan@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The fact that data collection isn’t regulated enough is one thing. It being Chinese means its a security issue and propaganda platform.

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• 0x815@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Lawmaker Who Led TikTok Ban Bill Joins Private Surveillance Firm

  Mike Gallagher pushed the bill to ban TikTok because China can “surveil its users.” Now, he’s resigning and joining an American surveillance firm Palantir.

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  • TwinTusks@bitforged.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Palantir

    great name!

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• TheSlad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It will change who gets the data. Who would you rather have your data: US gov, or CCP?

  For me its an easy choice; I dont tiktok.

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Neither

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• ninjabard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  So, the only solution is to not use it? Got it.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No. The only solution is to ban it to stop the idiots from using it, too. The problem cannot be solved individually, only collectively.

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• rivr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  why i have a feeling that they pick this “hot topic” only to promote themselves in a really lazy way

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  • drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Tuta have been pretty slimy for a few years at this point. I would have moved off of it if they didn’t honor my original subscription price; they’ve changed it a few times now and all the new prices are worse.

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    • rivr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      they’re still slightly better than proton which recently started to promote their premium down the throats. my partner noticed that tuta’s sub changed slightly since the time he paid fo it - he wouldn’t notice otherwise because i had to get it

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• MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Tautalogically that is totally tautological.

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