Good gaming experiences with no HUD?

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨PolishAndrew@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

I’m starting to find that HUDs in games clutter the screen and take away from being fully immersed in the game. I like games that force you to pay attention to what’s going on in the game and not numbers/markers on the edges of the display. What are some of your favorite games to play with no HUD? Here are a few of mine:

Astroneer - this game has tool tips on screen but that’s about it. There isn’t even an inventory, all objects are interactive and you can physically place them on your backpack.

Battlefield 1 - super gritty and immersive, but playing without a HUD really puts you at a disadvantage online.

Red Dead Redemption 2 - I liked that you could hide the HUD, but the mini-map was a tap on the d-pad away if you get lost. It was a super immersive experience!

Grand Theft Auto 5 - maybe not designed to be played without the HUD, once you get used to the layout of the city this becomes a lot easier, and you focus more on landmarks to navigate and again this really increased immersion. Sometimes finding things in missions wasn’t obvious and required consulting the map but otherwise this was enjoyable.

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leave_it_blank@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dead Space. Ammunition is displayed on your weapon, health and stasis on your suit.

Prey 2016 also displayed your ammo on your gun, but had traditional health bars (it was an fpp game after all).

But I like a good HUD if it’s implemented in the story, like Cyberpunk where it’s a part of your augmented eyes, like an advanced Google lens. Doom did the same with the helmet.

Regarding GTA V, I never got to know the city well enough to play without a map. That fucking town was just to big for me. But I remember Vice City, I knew the map in and out, and playing without a map was fun!

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oooo I forgot about dead space, that’s a good one! Cyberpunk and prey are on my list!
  
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danthehutt@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The Metro series is incredible for this. You have to press a button to check how many bullets are left, or how much oxygen is in your current canister. All kinds of awesome stuff in a bleak, rich world.

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- Skyrkazm@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think deadspace 1 and 2 were really immersive and world building. The UI didn’t feel like one. Your HP? It’s on your spine. Literally! It made sense too if you work with others, as it let’s them know if you feel like poo underneath the suit without needing to do anything risky.
  
  Ammo? Literally on the side of the gun.
  
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  - drasticpotatoes@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Playing the Deadspace remake was a joy because of this. More game designers should rethink how information is presented.
    
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- cyanarchy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I second this. Ranger mode is also my gold standard for how FPS gameplay should feel. Anybody is going down after a couple rifle rounds to the chest, plates or no, and that includes you.
  
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  - FireTower@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I third this. It is an excellent no hud game because of all the diegetic elements, like the physical map or the filter time remaining being shown by your watch. Lots of games will have ui menus you have to go through. Metro doesn’t.
    
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  - PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That sounds amazing and part of why I loved fallout 4’s survival mode! Does every game in the series have ranger mode?
    
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- HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Even further in this direction is Escape from Tarkov. I don’t care for the multilayer, but there is a single player mod called SPT-AKI which I highly recommend
  
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cosmicrose@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dead Space, my favorite game of all time. All HUD elements are holographic projections from your suit and weapons, integrated into the game world and moving with the camera. Your health meter is a series of light segments going up your spine, and the meter for one of your abilities is a pie-chart style light on the back of your right shoulder.

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I played that aaaages ago and I remember that really stuck out to me at the time!
  
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FunkyMonk@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Elden Ring and other fromsofts have the Hud disappear unless something actively happens with it sometimes. You don't see your health or mana unless you get hit or cast a spell.

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illi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m pretty sure Hellblade didn’t have UI and that game was incredible.

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- Newguy@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  OMG! That game is so amazing and I was confused by the HUD missing.
  
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TheQuietCroc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I played Tears of the Kingdom HUDless and it was really immersive! I didn’t feel like I was missing out on anything either, it honestly felt like how it was meant to be played.

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- TheMinions@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oooh when I pick it up again I’ll have to try it. Did you go hudless from the start or after playing for a while?
  
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  - TheQuietCroc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I did it immediately. I played BOTW years ago and just wanted to try it for something different.
    
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shyguyblue@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
An oldie but goldie: Grim Fandango

You drive your character like a tank, up moves him forward from his perspective, though there might be a setting to change that, it’s been years.

When you walk around the environment, Manny will turn his head to look at interactive objects, then you have “interact”, “examine”, or “pickup”.

The inventory screen is a close up of his jacket, where he reaches in a pulls something out. Hit the “next item” keyboard shortcut and he puts that object back into his jacket, and pulls out the next item.

Example of inventory screen: static.wikia.nocookie.net/…/MarkedCard.jpg

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- TheSambassador@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The remaster of Grim Fandango does make the control scheme more modern (movement direction is camera relative), though you can switch to tank controls if you want.
  
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Donut@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Both Zelda BotW and TotK have the option for a “PRO” HUD mode which only shows certain elements of the HUD at the right time.

It makes exploration so much more fun when you’re not (if not subconsciously) navigating with the minimap instead of the environment in front of your eyes.

+1 for Battlefield 1. That game nailed the cinematic experience and without a HUD it’s turned up to 11.

Have you played heists in GTA5 in first person without a HUD? It becomes a completely different game!

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I did the GTA story heists with no HUD but not online, I found those tricky enough already!
  
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Mako_Bunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dead space? It famously has a hud that’s built into the world rather than being random bars and stuff on the screen. Everything UI related is essentially from an object in the game

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justJanne@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I really like portal’s absolutely minimal HUD. The game absolutely works without any hud whatsoever just as well too.

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Monkeydduffy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There are plenty of amazing games with no HUD whatsoever. First thing that comes to mind is Journey it literally has no HUD element, most games from thatgamecompany are minimal like that.

Also games by Josef Fares have almost no HUD, Brothers and the Hazelight Studios games similarly don’t rely on the HUD much.

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stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Kingdom Come Deliverance

The standard game mode has map markers, quest icons, and a health bar. However, if you switch to hardcore mode it removes pretty much everything. There’s no map markers on the world map, and no compass, so you need to figure out where you are on the map by building up knowledge of the landmarks and roads of the area. The sun and moon can be used as directional markers as well.

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That sounds glorious! I haven’t played that one yet but it really interests me!
  
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  - stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I definitely recommend it, but it seems there are people that bounce off of the combat system. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it’s very enjoyable when you get it.
    
    Some days I just ignore quests and ride my horse around the countryside. I tend to play a lot of dice at the taverns, and doing some hunting is also fun.
    
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setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I completely understand how overcluttered and distracting some HUDs can become. I have found however that fully HUDless experiences tend to be more of a novelty than an increase in immersion.

If I’m playing a shooter and don’t have information on, say how many magazines I have, I find that more distracting than immersive. In real life I could quickly pat my vest to know.

Basic information like health while injured is simply too useful. Realistically my health isn’t defined by a single variable bar nor is it restored instantly from a grievous wound by a using a syringe, so I find that seeing the bar is useful for succeeding in the game.

Something like the iHUD mod for modern Fallout games is my ideal HUD. It is modular and I can define what information I see, what information I don’t, and for how long the information I do get stays on the screen. Health can be set to only show at certain thresholds, the compass directions or map markers can be disabled unless I ask to see them briefly. Other elements similarly made optional.

I’ve played fully HUDless in both Metro games and in modded STALKER games, and each time I do I find myself going back to having at least a minimal informative HUD.

I don’t hate HUDs and I think most people who try HUDless don’t actually hate them either. What is hated are obnoxious tool tips, flashy HUD animations, and floating intrusive quest markers. If UX designers do their jobs right, people don’t know they did anything at all.

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think you hit the nail on the head, give me what I need to know when I need it, and make it more environmental when possible. Halo for example had the assault rifle show the ammo count on the gun itself and other games have as well, there are countless other ways to give information organically to the player.
  
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  - setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There are diegetic elements like that, but also how the non-diegetic HUD delivers information.
    
    When is it giving information? Is it giving me information I don’t actually need at the moment. For example a first person game that always has a compass or minimap. Maybe I want those sometimes, but do I want them always?
    
    What are the visuals of the HUD like? Are they easy to read? Are they distracting? HUDs that have stretched and difficult at a glance fonts are a bad idea to me. Simple fonts that can be read against a variety of background colors are seemingly underdesigned to many UX designers, but it’s all I want sometimes.
    
    Do HUDs have needlessly animated elements? Sometimes just putting a plain and simple number or bar on a screen is enough, but many games add so many artistic flourishes that it gets in the way of the game visuals.
    
    HALO CE had its shield bar with the little health dots underneath. Technically diegetic, but obviously a gameplay element. It wasn’t distracting, it was clean and easy to read, it gave information that was constantly relevant.
    
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garretble@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom.

Turning off the HUD makes you look up at the environment to help you plan where to go. You start to remember shapes and areas that way. Plus it’s just nice.

Your hearts and stuff will show up if they need to, but otherwise it’s totally blank. And since pulling up the map is quick it’s really not that jarring to not have it in the corner.

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Crafter72@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
At the moment, I am doing New Vegas hudless run (VNV modlist + JSUE Tweak) on my spare times. Honestly I am adore it due to the fact it feels like 3D Fallout 2 as previously I run my playthroughs using hud. However this also makes you need to be perceptive as on this tweaked game raider tends to ambush you so you kind of develop second nature of how you perceive surrounding on Mojave. Even though people may thinking hudless does not make a sense, it simply each on theit own enjoyment as you cannot please everyone with same tricks every single time.

Although not hudless, but in GTA San Andreas I can notice a landmark or a spot of the map just from a pictures. It feels like ingrained on my mind from my countless hour doing SP as kids and playing SAMP during my teenage years.

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Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I loved playing Assassin’s Creed games hudless. Especially 3, Odyssey, and Ragnarok.

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- Crafter72@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  As someone who last time did Altair and Ezio saga hudless, I can agree. While the game may be dated it can bring immersion and less simulation-y
  
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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Holy crap I’ve played so much AC and never thought to try those without the HUD! I feel like unity and syndicate in particular would be great to wander around with no screen clutter!
  
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BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Limbo is amazing. You want engrossing atmosphere? No HUD, no music, no color. Just you and the terrifying, soul-crushing, body-crushing environment.

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I tried that game once, got stuck at one point and put it down. I really need to give it a fair chance!
  
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wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you’re into Bethesda games and modding them, nearly all of them have “immersive HUD” mods that only show HUD elements when it’s relevant.

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LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ghost of Tsushima has a very minimal hud

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Yokozuna@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Alien: Isolation is another good example of this. Actually terrifying to be hunted by the AI.

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- RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Alien: Isolation is genuinely the best horror game ever made and I don’t hear people talk about it enough.
  
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MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dead Space, which has come up a lot, does have a hud, it's just all diegetic. Whether that fits or not is up for debate.

For true zero hud stuff the first one I think of is Inside, for instance. If you're going for immersion that counts, but of course it's a very light, focused game. Journey and Flower are in that space, too. So is Mirror's Edge, technically, but it feels more intricate due to being first person, for some reason.

There's a bunch of minimal HUD games from that period, too. There's a thing here and there, but not a full HUD. There's the Portal games, which technically show which portals are up on the reticle, but nothing else. There's the Metro series, which will pop up some HUD but mostly relies on other visual cues. There's The Order 1886, which at the time was one of the standard bearers for minimal HUDs but I think now it's just slightly lighter than average, because that game is super underrated in how ahead of its time it was in terms of setting triple-A standards.

Does The Witness count as diegetic HUD or just no HUD? It's borderline. I think the Talos Principle has some light HUD elements, but they may be optional.

And hey, let me call out the times when a super dense HUD is actually immersion-creating, especially when it comes to representing tech or machinery. There's Metroid Prime, making the HUD part of the suit and placing you inside it. There's Armored Core, where the mech stuff is such a part of the fiction. There's the new Robocop, which I don't like but does a lot with its HUD. HUDs can be cool and immersive.

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- lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  diegetic
  
  I upvote any time I see this word.
  
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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is a great answer and I learned a new word today! I’m okay with diegetic elements, as it feels organic and as long as it’s not distracting I’m okay with that! I forgot about mirrors edge, the minimal(ish) design of that game is great.
  
  I suppose saying “no HUD” was a bit narrow, the spirit of my question was more about games that don’t have displays and elements pulling too much attention from the game itself. I appreciate the response!
  
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  - MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No worries. Paradoxically I feel like a pedant now for using the big word.
    
    Anyway, that question is weirdly different from the "no HUD" one, I agree. Some of the games that make me look more at the world instead of at the pointers and indicators are full of HUD stuff. Somebody mentioned Zelda, which is fine. PUBG is a weird example, because yeah, it looks like a (messy, cheap, poorly designed) HUD, but the whole proximity audio and high stakes gameplay makes you stare at things like a hawk. We take it for granted because Battle Royale games became such a huge deal, but that was a neat trick.
    
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ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Gotta be honest here.

Immersion has no meaning to me and I don’t understand the obsession.

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- leave_it_blank@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I never forgot the woman who asked me to look for her husband, I found him, dead, killed by bandits. She was in tears, saying life would never be the same.
  
  Five minutes later I sold her stuff, and she was like “Nice weather today, isn’t it?”.
  
  That killed every immersion at that moment.
  
  It was Skyrim. It has fantastic moments, but there are lots of moments that kill every immersion it built up on a grand scale.
  
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  - ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    See stuff like that just makes me laugh though.
    
    Like I kinda get what you mean but stuff like physics glitches and weird moments like your described just make me laugh.
    
    Even in a serious situation like a grand epic battle the sight of a deceased character model slowly vibrating before launching into the cosmos is hilarious to me.
    
    Or in your case a widow who’s heartbroken and sobbing then the cutscene ends and she’s just “hi how can I help you today?” in a cheerful tone and I just burst out laughing
    
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- MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Immersion is a bit overused and misunderstood.
  
  It maybe works better as "suspension of disbelief", like in other fiction. You sustain it and you can go very abstract. You break it and things get weird.
  
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  - CarlsIII@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This makes more sense to me than the “I believe I’m actually in the game world” definition I’ve been given before
    
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- CarlsIII@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I don’t think it’d be possible to trick me into thinking I’m not playing a video game. You can have 0 UI, and I’ll still know I’m looking at a screen and pushing buttons.
  
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  - bridge_too_close@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I think it's less about being "tricked" into believing you aren't actually playing a game, and more along the lines of having the mindset that you are actually playing as your character. It's more like the difference between performing tasks, going from A to B, and checking boxes on a list, versus actually feeling like you're going on an adventure.
    
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  - pgetsos@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    VR is decent enough that you can get lost in the game as is. Even if momentarily, like trying to kick the ball while playing ping pong and it falls near you
    
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- kratoz29@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m on your side a bit, I mean, I hate getting lost, for me that ain’t immersion, having a HUD or being able to look beyond your usual sight scope is awesome and one of the best features of the videogames which are an escape of our mostly boring life.
  
  With that being said, the other day I was playing BOTW (with HUD) in handheld mode in pitch dark (late night) with my headphones put on and I felt totally immersed more than when I play on my 50 inch TV, IDK, it just helps you to isolate in Hyrule that way I think.
  
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- smeg@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People get immersed in different ways. Some people get involved in the story, putting themselves in the character’s shoes and imagining it’s a real world. Some people get lost in the gameplay, enjoying the mechanics and focusing entirely on completing the challenge. For some people it’s TV, film, books, or just chatting at the pub and losing track of time. I’m sure you get immersed in something!
  
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  - CarlsIII@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I feel like what you’re talking about is something more like “deep involvement”
    
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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Immersion is one aspect, but I also find that artists put so much work into creating great visuals, it almost feels like I’m ignoring the great things to look at by chasing dots on a map. I really just want experiences that help me focus more on the world in front of me.
  
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SeducingCamel@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention sea of thieves, always loved how pretty it was and the complete like of hud is great

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There are a lot of design choices I love about that game! I’m one of those people however that found the PvP frustrating.
  
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milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I used to play Skyrim with a mod that turned off the HUD. Can’t remember the name. I switched off extra options, and it became quite fun sneak-archering with neither crosshairs nor stealth indicator nor enemy radar dots.

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synae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I know you can disable all HUD elements in Doom eternal, but you need to be pretty good at it already to be effective. So not a good candidate for a beginner, but it sure does look good if you can pull it off.

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nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
escape from tarkov

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quams69@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Resident Evil 7 iirc, no hud, health is a wristwatch

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LilPappyWigwam@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The Long Dark…

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- rbos@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Absolutely, came here to say this. You can fully turn off what minimal ui there is and it’s still playable. They could really get rid of some menus too, like cooking could be a little more drag and drop.
  
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MacedWindow@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I used to play Overwatch with no HUD. The game is definitely not designed around that, but I found I did decently well, and many characters have displays on their guns that relate the same info.

I know Jurassic Park Trespasser infamously used a tatoo on your characters chest instead of a healthbar to avoid using a HUD.

I did the same as you in GTA, very different and fun way to experience the game.

I always thought it’d be cool to make a no UI fighting game, with health being related by the characters appearance (ie more and more beaten up) rather than the usual top of the screen health bars.

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- TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh man, I remember the titty tattoo. 12-year-old me had to check my health like every 3 seconds.
  
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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yessss I feel like developers really have room to get creative with visual elements like that for fighting games. For first person games even just the redness on the edges of the screen is good enough in most cases!
  
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dmention7@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t think you can fully remove all the HUD elements in Ghost of Tsushima, but there’s an “expert” mode that removes most of them to make it more immersive.

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- PolishAndrew@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  As long as it’s not distracting I’m okay with that!
  
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