Steam Machine – Powerful Enough?

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, I find my Steam Deck powerful enough and this is, what, 6x over the Steam Deck?

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  • Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly. The Machine isn’t made for people with super high end rigs. It’s made for console gamers or people with an older rig. I don’t own a PC, but I thoroughly enjoy my Deck. Looking forward to pricing on the Machine and Frame.

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    • overload@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d argue it’s also for people who want sleep and resume on a PC for that console experience. I have a 3070ti system, which is older and mid now but still smokes the steam machine, and I’ll be “downgrading” to this because I consider quick resume an upgraded experience. Most games I play don’t even need that power.

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I used to be a hardcore PC gamer, twenty years ago, but as the years went by I found that the costs just got silly. Graphics cards have cost silly money for several console generations now. However if there’s a common platform that’s good enough, I’d be interested.

      I love my Steam Deck but a bit more power would be great for a few things (notably Fallout London).

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    • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can see unplugging the Raspberry Pi in the bedroom and replacing it with the Steam Machine.

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• BigTrout75@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It sounds perfect for me. I didn’t want to pay for online gaming. I’m not into subscription services. I have a ton of games on Steam. I have been waiting for years for a good time to upgrade my gaming PC. Cheapest option was going to be $1,200. Pre built PC are garish and embarrassing looking. Windows is currently a dumpster fire. 6 times the power of a Stream Deck. Just want to play my games. Didn’t care about games that won’t play on it, there’s a always another game that will work.

  Sold! (Please be $600 out less)

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  • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m betting closer to $800 or $900.

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• morgan_423@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I haven’t heard many people talking about a key group here.

  There are quite a few people out there who play the Deck handheld 95% of the time, so they rarely dock it… but they also aren’t out and about traveling with it.

  They just play it in comfy spots around their house, without ever really hooking it up to a screen. There are probably quite a few of them talking in this thread.

  For any of these people wanting a performance upgrade: Steam Machine is going to be HUGE, and much better than switching to a more powerful handheld at nearly the same price point.

  These people can hook it up to a TV to check on it alone if needed… but primarily they will locally stream from it to their Decks. And it’ll absolutely crush 60/70/90 FPS (the common max display rates on the Deck screens, depending on what flavor you have and whether or not you’re overclocking the LCD display) at 800p, with graphics cranked WAY up on a ton of games.

  It’ll definitely be a fantastic era to be a household Deck gamer.

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  • pory@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My steam deck is 95% docked gameplay. I love the ui, ux, cross saves, steam features, ability to play non steam games, and ease of use with the pile of controllers I’ve accreted over the years.

    The same experience but it can run Expedition 33 at 1080p without looking like a framey disaster? Sign me up unless it’s ridiculously expensive. I’ve got no interest at all in buying one of the big 3’s DRM boxes, and building a PC for the living room is very expensive unless I’m willing to have it be a bigass tower. The cube is for meeeeeeee.

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• LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No bad specs, only bad prices.

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  • melfie@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly. $500: worth it. $800: now you’re in an awkward middle ground. You can pay half of that for a mini PC with a 780M that has double the GPU power of a Steam Deck or pay a bit more to get a decent machine that can really do 4K on high or ultra.

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    • Grimpen@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think somewhere close to $500 is around the zone they should target the base model. It’s in the console price zone. At that price, the specs are pretty decent.

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• buffaloseven@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  My prediction: this box is going to sell like gangbusters for the parents in the 40-some odd years old range who have kids under the age of 16.

  I am one of those people. Could I build my own PC? Yes. But the reality is I just don’t have the time to dedicate to all the fringes of the PC gaming hobby. And space is precious these days as the house fills up with things you want/need for teenagers (including the teenagers themselves who are noticeably larger than when they were 8 years old about 3 weeks ago.

  The Steam Deck was amazing in part, and I’ve heard this from multiple parents, because it allowed you to just get to playing your games in a way no PC had before. The Steam Machine offers that same experience but with more power. I won’t be hooking mine up to a TV, that’s already a disaster area owned by the kids. This will hook up to my 1440P HDR monitor in my office. This box will be plenty to power that. It’s tiny, it’s very quiet, and it offers an experience that, while I could hack together on a custom built PC, would be difficult for me to get the time together to do.

  I dunno…the older I get, with more time pressures in life, the more I appreciate quality turnkey solutions over DIY. I’ll buy this as soon as I can, and I’m pretty confident that it’s going to deliver an experience that will fit into the “great” to “good enough” category for what I’m looking for, and that’s good enough for me. And I’m willing to be it’ll also be good enough for a lot of other parents in a similar life stage to me.

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• KiwiTB@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s fine but ideally would have more vram. Depends on price of course.

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  • CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m actually kinda glad it has only 8gb for an odd reason; I hope it encourages devs to optimize their games more so they aren’t locked out of the steam machine market.

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    • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I hope you’re right. Games have run like dogshit for at least the past 5 years or so, even with reasonably powerful hardware.

      Unfortunately, I’m not very optimistic because of the Unreal Engine monoculture (except for a bunch of blessed indie games). It would most likely be Epic’s job to make their engine not perform like shit, which… 😬

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  • AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They really dropped the ball with only 8gb vram, it’s not like GDDR is expensive.

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    • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It recently really increase in price, which is probably why Valve doesn’t want to announce prices yet.

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• shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It needs to at least match console performance, aiming for 4K@30, maybe medium settings. 4K@60 would be ideal of course.

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  • BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think they have a lot of interest in pursuing that market personally, I think the goal is to hit casual to average gamers. Kinda feel like they want to create an ecosystem and they’re going to leave the high end/pro market for other manufacturers to figure out.

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    • shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I definitely don’t think they’re aiming for the high-end or pro market, but I also don’t think the average casual gamer is going to choose an unknown quantity that’s likely much more expensive than a console they already know works. That kind of risk is usually taken only by people who are more enthusiastic or more in the know, which doesn’t describe casual gamers.

      Personally, I like the idea of it as a way to play my Steam library on my living room TV, much more conveniently than streaming, using long cables and Bluetooth devices, or lugging a heavy computer tower. It might also appeal to console gamers who want to get a computer but don’t know the first thing about them. The Steam Machine is a complete package that works more or less like the consoles they’re familiar with.

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• drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I built a similarly speced machine (from what I can tell) and it runs everything I throw at it on a 4k TV. I would have gladly bought Steam Machine instead even if it was more expensive.

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  • zorblitz@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What are your specs?

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      basically same CPU with RX 7700 and 32 gb of ram. I think Steam Machine is predicted to be a bit below 7700 with raw numbers but with optimizations etc it’ll probably be very close.

      I’m very happy with this these specs though. Runs everything really well via steam’s proton on 4k and I use it as a home lab server (nextcloud etc.) and living room media server.

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• BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Before I got my steam deck, I was playing on a 2400g htpc. I’m sure this will be fine.

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  • CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m happily playing with Intel HD 630 integrated graphics myself, though my taste in games doesn’t usually require a beefy GPU.

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• ekZepp@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Reading around, I have the idea it won’t be 500. Still, since they’ve purposely used “cheap” hardware to keep the prices down, I think that it will likely be less of 700.

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• ozoned@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My father, who is about 600 miles away, keeps asking what console we have so he can game with us. The Steam Machine, aka Gabecube, is the perfectboptuon for him IMO. We always play Steam games, it’s a console like experience, and I win because I can day he’s running Linux! :-)

  If the video creators opinions are close on price, I’m all in on it. I can’t wait to find out more.

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• lunsjentilanette@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Will i be able to run the following games with pretty high gfx settings?

  Cyberpunk Jedi fallen order and sequel Baldurs gate 3 Clair Obscure Star citizen (i know its a scam but i wanna fly around in spaceships) Transport tycoon deluxe

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    See how they run on the Steam Deck and then consider the Steam Machine is apparently 6x more powerful.

    Baldur’s Gate 3:

    youtu.be/6gVHFi6Cic8

    Clair Obscure:

    youtu.be/qB8HGs3XmkQ

    Cyberpunk:

    youtu.be/UwujcHyBfjs

    Jedi Fallen Order:

    youtu.be/3jp2OK5s64w

    Jedi Survivor:

    youtu.be/MCHBUOXH1co

    Transport Tycoon Deluxe:

    youtu.be/0NJdQv3YA-Q

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    • lunsjentilanette@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah didnt think to check what the deck could do. Not sure what 6x more powerful means though but it looks like it will be sufficient for what i want to do

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  • CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cyberpunk

    Cyberpunk for sure will play well, as it was one of the games that testers were able to play on one during a preview event. I believe it’s the most demanding game as well, so the rest of your list should work fine as well.

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    • pory@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I will say, Cyberpunk runs a lot better on the Deck than Clair Obscur does. Clair Obscur isn’t worth running on Deck IMO - frames drop below 30, hair and shadows are a horrible mess, and in the game’s first big cutscene that wasn’t an FMV it was so stuttery that it was making the music crackle. Completely ruins the game.

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    • lunsjentilanette@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nice! Id probably play on 1440p unless i get a new monitor before i could get my hands on one (my current monitor is acting up so that might happen)

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• verdi@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Another Philip appreciator, a see you’re a person of culture as well!

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• Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My main issue is how much power it needs. Due to my living situation, I’ll be able to run it only if it needs 1000w or less. I doubt it would be feasible to replace the power supply with something that takes 12v DC. We’ll see. I’m doing okay with my steam deck anyway.

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  • CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think you may have an unrealistic idea of how much power low or mid-range gaming PC’s use. Only at the very top-end of PC’s with extreme overclocked components pushed to the limit would you come near 1000w (a $3000 Nvidia GTX 5090 graphics card can use 575w, as an example).

    The Steam Machine uses effectively a laptop CPU (35W TDP) that’ll likely use 50 to 65w max, and the GPU is also a beefed up laptop GPU with a 110W TDP (it’ll probably peak at 140 to 150w, I’m guessing).

    Overall it’ll probably idle at 10 or 15w, and likely use around 70w under average gaming, or 150 to 200w when pushed hard.

    The Steamdeck is certainly still more power efficient, and if you find that it’s powerful enough for the games you play, there’s not much reason to consider getting anything else. But the Steamdeck will be pretty power efficient for a desktop. It kinda has to be, since it only has a single fan for cooling.

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    • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well that’s great news, thanks. Yeah most of my system is 12v, running off a big ole lithium battery which is charged by solar panels. I can do 220v via a 1000w inverter, sounds like this could run a steam machine. Food for thought! Though I’m kinda interested in the steam frame too, waiting to see what the prices are like.

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