Submitted 11 months ago by drmoose@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://kotaku.com/gta-6-vi-pc-port-next-gen-ps5-xbox-series-x-trailer-1851072350
I’m confused why Kotaku mentioning next gen in the title when Rockstar only commented on current generation PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
The PC version will come out with the PS6/Xbox whatever ports come out. Rockstar has figured out exactly how to milk the most sales out of their games
Xbox 2 maybe
The fifth Xbox being called Xbox Two is such a Microsoft move
With GTAV, the original release was 2013, the next gen was 2014 and PC 2015 so I forsee it being the same and being even later.
The upside was that the PC port was really good at release and I’m pretty indifferent to if I pick this game up in 2030 when it’s actually a good value on PC.
Not just sales. Rockstar is getting paid to launch exclusively on consoles.
Unless it’s either PS5 or Xbox exclusive (not both), I don’t think that’s true. Sony and Microsoft wouldn’t collude to prevent launch on PC. That’s extremely illegal, even for companies that are masters of dodging antitrust laws.
The most realistic explanation (IMO) is that Rockstar did their research and found that most PC players also own a console, and will very likely buy the game twice in the long run.
Or if we’re being charitable, maybe the game needs more optimization work before it can run well on the Steam deck, and they want that working before launching on PC.
I’ll wait anyway. And I’m most definitly not gonna preorder after the mega fail that was the GTA Trillogy.
Personally, I might be done with the series at this point.
Did they not just put a lot of the vehicles behind a paywall in GTA V this year? If you previously had them, you were fine, but you would be SOL if you didn’t buy them in the game before the update. IIRC some of cars were even stuck behind the GTA+ subscription.
I don’t want to buy a game, and then have to buy some of the exact same content again years later. They should have also told people that they would be paywalling the cars a decent amount of time before they went through with it, imo.
It’s not the end of the world or anything, but I’m concerned that this might be an attempt at a new type of profiting. This is worse than the horse armour from Oblivion. At least that gave you new models and textures.
“We’ll just sell them a game, then we’ll sell them the same assets from the same game years later!”
Just wait until it spreads to more game companies. I wish that there was a stronger push back when it happened. People are going to completely forget about it until it happens again.
With their current track record, maybe I’ll buy it after a decade haha
I just wanna play a good offline story mode. Hopefully GTA+ won’t impact it.
Turns out that people WOULD download a car and megacorps are profiteering om that too 😮💨
GTA trilogy wasn’t developed by rockstar iirc. That being said, pre-ordering games is a dumb move anyway since games aren’t finished when they are being released nowadays
And it’s almost like they cant run out of binary code + a license key to distribute.
And the preload period is stupid anyway since you will most likely need a day 1 patch anyway.
I think I got GTA5 for 5 bucks. I think I’ll wait for GTA6 for 6 bucks
Yep! I can’t wait to play it in 2030 on my next gen Steam Deck.
I can wait.
Lol this is, how I do everything now. Starfield looked okay, but I don’t touch it unless it goes below $30. I do not feel like I’m missing absolutely anything.
Damn that 20% inflation
I’ll never be able to afford GTA 100.
You’ll also be quite dead before that ever happens, especially at the rate they’re releasing them now
As someone who games solely on pc nowaday simply because having other things to do, I don’t mind waiting even more so the chance I will get it on launch day is null.
Remember fellas vote with your wallet, do not get blinded by hypetrain.
The reality is that even if you are patient, this is complete bullshit.
Yep. I never buy on launch. Just wait a few months and the price comes down, especially if near a holiday you’ll get a sale. Also the bitchfest about the game bEiNg LiTeRaLly UnpLaYAblE!!1!1 because of problems has died down after a few patches.
I’m blinded by the hype train, but with 2 kids and sole income my wallets to empty to pay for an 80$ game on release.
This is stupid because they literally developed the damn game on PC. The only reason to do a console release is artificial scarcity. They know a certain sunset of PC gamers will but the game twice. Once on console for FOMO. And again on PC for the proper experience.
Console gamers will buy the game on each following generation console as well for the next couple decades and when I’m on my death bed we will get a release announcement for the trailer of GTA 7 for PS? and Xbox xXx series xXx ex/se
As much as I understand the disappointment, from development point I tolerate them as Rockstar ever since they had their own in house Game Engine, they does not shoehorn the game into a mess of unplayablility (see common AAA studios). Not to mention those jack of all trade engine (e.g UE, Unity, CryEngine) while you can make the project multiplatform, the optimization that need to be done is far more time consuming (reading the docs of the SDK) compared to an Engine you build your own, an example of this on recent release is Yakuza Ishin, Ishin use Unreal Engine and run worse compared to every Yakuza games they released prior (which they did use their in-house game Engine).
Rockstar made it clear focus on to deliver console optimization on front ever since GTA III released (technical standpoint see GTA San Andreas on PS2, GTA V on PS3 and X360, Max Payne 3 on console).
Even though from PS4/XONE we have x86 arch console, the uniformity of console specs leads the easy to work on optimization rather than plethora of hardwares that available on Personal Computer space.
Maybe I am sounded defending Rockstar but I gave my opinion from my past experience as game modder so knowing those SDK a bit. If you want to blame, you can blame the higher up on T2 since those parties the one tied up the Rockstar (R* owned by T2). I do have a share of disappointment when they took down the Reverse Engineered code of 3D era gta codes, but that incident also have grey area as some says that some portion of the code are part of original code.
Thanks for the drop of sanity here. There are reasons this happens and this right here is why. Console is ready faster…that’s it. Rockstar is just making the natural business decisions given the situation. Does Rockstar also get that double dip? Yes. Do they get incentives from the various console companies vying for exclusivity? Yes. Villainize that all you want but the other option is choosing to not make money on a finished game by making it unavailable for literally no reason.
Inversely, for those complaining, demanding Rockstar to not release a finished game on any platform until it is available on the device you prefer sounds pretty stupid.
suspect pc is last priority due to the higher rate of piracy and lower rate of in-app-purchases. oh and the mod scene - for some reason rock* doesn’t want people extending the lives of their products even for single player play. weeeeeak.
I bet its because console players are far more likely to dump their life savings into Shark Cards 2.0 in massive fits of hysterical FOMO, than PC players are.
Is this type of comment helpful for you? Are people supposed to follow-up with some comment about PC players are sheep and will be buy the game for consoles and then buy it PC when it releases there?
This platform war nonsense is tiring.
GTA5 PC players usually play on modded servers that don’t use shark cards. I think that’s what they meant.
my friend, you need to have a nice refreshing bowl of chill the fuck out.
Cause you are literally just inventing narratives to be pissed about.
Lol, every pc gamer I’ve ever encountered has to have the latest video card due to FOMO. The thought of only getting 59 FPS keeps them up at night, keeps them from playing the games they’ve already paid for.
Wow, I’m amazed that you’ve met literally every PC gamer on the planet.
how many years did that take?
What does PC piracy have to do with console sales?
Some PC sales are better than none.
Almost every AAA release has pulled the same trick for at least the last 10 years if not longer. Don’t announce the PC release until after the console release, that way some people buy the game twice.
Naturally. Rockstar likes to resell their titles no less than Bethesda. They will sell it to you on PS5 and series x/s, then again on PS6 and whatever Xbox will be around. Then probably Nintendo platform, finally PC.
This way they maximize the amount of times some people will buy the same game, each time with minimal quality upgrade.
Same as their previous titles. It’s not that they didn’t learn. They have the numbers and know very well what they’re doing.
imo buying a copy for one platform should entitle to play on every platform it is released on. The crucial aspects of the work are the same. adapting to different hardwares and making controls for gamepads and mouse and keyboard only plays a small part in the total effort. Also you can play with a controller on pc in most cross platform games.
As much as I theoretically agree, I can immediately think of two problems:
The storefronts would have to communicate It’s against their own interest to do this. Imagine you buy all your games on Steam because of the sales (although the creators of the game of course decide the prices, but still) and then play them on your Xbox. No profit at all for Microsoft, yet they’re the ones providing all the additional services like the actual game hosting, friends system, etc. It’s not much by any means, but it does add up. The money all goes to Valve. You could even buy the games via the Steam mobile app if you don’t even own a PC. Also, even if they were theoretically fine with this, even coordinating it would be a pain. Since you could put a game on the Google Play Store, the App Store, hell maybe even F-Droid, Epic Games, GoG, Steam, the Xbox Store, and the Play Station store, and I am absolutely certain I forgot multiple other options, all of them would need to be able to communicate and decide on if you actually own the game. This would be a logistical and technical nightmare.
Companies would just sell mildly different versions and claim it’s a new game You know how for example Undertale has a slightly special Nintendo Switch version where there’s… I can’t even remember, but I think it’s an additional boss. That’s just something small and cute, but let’s go with the GTA example. I have played about five hours of 5 and dropped it, so excuse me if this isn’t the best theoretical example, but let’s say the PS5 and Series X/S get the base game. Then the PS6 and new Xbox get maybe five additional cars and the game they’re selling is GTA 6 Expanded. Afterwards on switch (although by that time Nintendo’s new console would’ve released) you get blue and red weapon skins or whatever and it’s GTA 6 Switched Up. And then finally on PC you get the GTA 6 Ultimate Edition with expanded settings, better graphics, and maybe five more cars on top of those from GTA 6 Expanded. These are all technically not the same game, so you would not be able to claim them. Sure, you could argue they’re similar, but where is the exact line? That’s quite impossible to figure out - is it a cheated rehash or a mediocre remaster? Who knows
When I buy a new set of tires for my truck, I don’t get a free set of tires for my car as well.
Also you can play with a controller on pc in most cross platform games.
Yeah, but why would you want to? If you’re going to play with a controller, why not just play on console?
And pc always last because they can only sell it to them once and they’ll have it until steam/epic dies.
Well, that’s shitty. I’ll never understand why some of these companies are so dated in their thinking.
Money
Less QA work needed upfront, with the added benefit of selling the game twice to a lot of people when PC finally releases.
It’s not dated thinking, it’s profit focused.
I am not entirely sure that is “profit focused”. It’s profit on a real world situation, you said it yourself - less QA work which makes it able to release faster. They are only taking advantage of that fact. They would have to focus on not profit for it to happen any other way.
Because they know most PC gamers have at least one console as well, and they’ll buy it on release at full price, and then again on PC for the better gaming experience.
Cause idiots literally go out and buy a console , then get the game there, then get it again on their PC in 18 months and literally foam at the mouth all the while.
Remember these publishers are in an ouroboros style circle jerk with console makers. They move without giving a tug, and never move without getting a tug. They go console exclusive to boost console sales in the first year, use that time to continue to improve the half baked game, then release on PC with higher specs to reap the PC fans marveling at the higher graphics.
The continued use of Next Gen for what is definitely the current console generation does make me pretty annoyed
Honestly I do understand why PC gamers are upset. But this isn’t exactly news. They’ve done this with every PC port. And given the clusterfuck that was GTA IV on PC I’m fine waiting another year for a GOOD PC port.
Again I get it. But I personally bought a Series X when PC gaming was too expensive to get into so I take it that’s who they’re gonna go for as well.
I doubt waiting any amount of time would warrant the port to be good. See: GTA:SA
With mods it’s workable
The new one was amazing.
PC is always current gen. When will they learn?
PS is always “millions of iterations of current, next, last, the previous, the one before that and the one after that” gen. I believe they have learned.
they did a long time ago the game will be online only without a story
Why would you buy GTA 6 after 5 became a live service game? Fuck rockstar.
I mean, if the single player is still good, which 5's was too tbh
Support bullshit and you'll eventually get what you supported.
When GTA loses its single player or riddles it with more mtx and live service crap, you'll only have yourself to blame for continuing to buy their crap.
I am afraid they will make the whole game subscription based. You won’t even be allowed to own the single player experience
Cool. Then I’ll pirate it at lauch.
They’ve done it with every generation of GTA recently. It will probably not come out at launch, people will buy the console version, and then suddenly it comes out on pc a year later. We’ve seen the tactic before
I think the bigger issue is that the franchise is stuck in the USA, at the same locations, in the same gangsta American dream plot. I was hoping by they would branch out as there as so many other interesting places outside of the USA that are car focused that are dying to be explored. When I watched the trailer, I felt like I already played this game.
Likely? It’s almost a certified R* moment to forget about PC for 1-2 years and then release the (better) version there alter on.
Now imagine people wrote an article every time a game came out on PC but not consoles.
Oh no
Anyway
Hope it will be good, the game will have to last 3 console generations anyway.
Well, yet another game that doesn’t exist.
I don’t think anyone with more than 5 braincells thought this was coming out on PS4 and Xbone.
Can’t wait for an extremely polished game where it’s impossible to step one step in the direction you want to go.
I could not care less. They seem to focus primarily on improving the graphics with every part of the series, while imo gameplay is much more important than graphics. Also, for the ridiculous price of one AAA title, one can buy a whole bunch of great indie games.
Who cares? Rockstar is a joke. Play it years from now, it’ll be carried for 10+ years
Eh they’ll make a PC version at some point
Mark my words as the real JC Denton, this game will be bad
I’m confused why Kotaku mentioning next gen in the title when Rockstar only commented on current generation PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
Haven’t they been calling these the “next Gen” consoles for awhile? I also don’t agree with changing the title to not match the article.
I know when the PS5/Xbox Series X/S came out they were referred to as “next generation” while the previous consoles were “current generation” when talking about games that were released on both consoles, for example NBA 2K.
I can see why you’re confused and I agree that enough time has passed that we can start calling the PS5/ Xbox series X/S current generation.
Odo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Because they’re still referring to PS5 and XSX as “next gen”, which is ridiculous this far into a generation. I’m glad even their own commenters are calling that out.
drmoose@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It almost seems like a bait and I fell for it 🫣
The only reason I clicked on the article is because I thought next gen launching late 2025 with GTA6. Ps5 came out over 3 years ago so 4 year generation sounds about right.
It’s not the first time either. Time to pop Kotaku into the block list.
IMongoose@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The last few console generations have been around 6-7 years, and this gen may be longer:
en.wikipedia.org/…/Home_video_game_console_genera…
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 months ago
4 years is the typical halfway upgrade, not a new gen. Gens are usually 7-8 years.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
They should switch to pokemon gen naming scheme aka 5th gen consoles.
dallo@lemmy.kiois.net 11 months ago
Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not at all, there is no PS6 or… whatever Microsoft decides to call the next Xbox