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Which James Bond movie do you consider the worst?

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨_ed@sopuli.xyz⁩ to ⁨moviesandtv@lemm.ee⁩

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  • Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Die Another Day was meh, but I really didn’t care for Skyfall and No Time to Die. The plots were too contingent on inorganic and out of character details. Q wouldn’t be stupid enough to plug a USB drive into an MI6 networked device found on a known hacker supervillain. The convenience of the targeted DNA nanobots just magically being declared to have no solution without anyone doing any testing of theories was unbelievable and just revealed the obvious “we need to kill Bond in this one so come up with a reason for him to die nobly” pitch meeting pitch. It ruined the suspension of disbelief entirely. I feel like they just tried too hard to keep upping the stakes and outdo themselves that it just ridiculous.

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    • purpleprophy@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What killed it for me were the nanobots being declared unsolvable in the same movie that explicitly shows EMPs being used. I thought for sure that was a Chekhov’s gun being set up but no, just bad writing.

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      • Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        EMP, MRI, or what about anti-nanobots? If you can program nanobots that kill people with particular DNA, couldn’t you program nanobots that target other nanobots? I would assume they hadn’t yet built in a self-defense protocol for the nanobots since they were cutting edge and not assumed to have any countermeasures yet. Anti-nanobots seem just as plausible as DNA targeting nanobots.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I maintain that USB plot point was a PSA they were forced to put in.

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Casino Royale… no, not that one… the other one. :)

    youtu.be/0px9QxojVjU

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    • athos77@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, not that one, the other other one.

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=ztsXWp0nj2c

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      • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Jimmy Bond!”

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    • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We don’t talk about that one.

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      • FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I kinda want to watch it..

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s the only Casino Royale for me.

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  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thunderball.

    It is the only Bond film I would call dull. It might just be that underwater fight scene at the end. But it doesn’t work for me.

    Say what you want about Moonraker and Die Another Day. I at least had fun watching them.

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    • _ed@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I guess the fight scene looked good on paper, but it was quite long and not very dramatic.

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      • Thunderbird4@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And it was expensive as hell! They’re not just going to shoot all those underwater scenes and not use them.

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    • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I had s bit of deja Vu with Moonraker 🙄🙄🙄

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  • xyzzy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I actually watched them all back to back a couple years ago and ranked them as I went. Here’s my complete list, from top to bottom:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. Skyfall
    4. Goldfinger
    5. Dr. No
    6. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    7. Thunderball
    8. For Your Eyes Only
    9. The Spy Who Loved Me
    10. GoldenEye
    11. The Living Daylights
    12. Tomorrow Never Dies
    13. Spectre
    14. Quantum of Solace
    15. No Time to Die
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. Octopussy
    18. License to Kill
    19. The World Is Not Enough
    20. Never Say Never Again
    21. Moonraker
    22. Die Another Day
    23. Diamonds Are Forever
    24. A View to a Kill
    25. The Man With the Golden Gun
    26. Live and Let Die
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    • TheColonel@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Great list!

      I’d move some around a bit but very close to what I remember when I watched them all like 5-6 years ago.

      The George Lazenby one is truly underrated.

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      • raoulraoul@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hear, hear! Director/Editor Peter Hunt had a style all his own!

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      • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’d go with overrated

        The plot is good but the acting undoes everything

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    • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Now add also Woody Allen’s casino Royale lol

      Jokes apart I mostly agree with the whole list. But I’d put lazenby close to bottom and octopussy s bit higher

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    • raoulraoul@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. I’d have shuffled a few around but not by much.

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    • Schmuppes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Someone doesn’t like Roger Moore’s Bond, huh?

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      • xyzzy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I felt like they were just mostly OK. Not bad for the most part, but not as good as many others. I did feel his run was way, way too long.

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  • solitaire@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was going to say “the one where he’s a rapist”, but weirdly that only narrows it down a bit. 🤮

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  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anything with Timothy Dalton. It was like they made James Bond out of wet tagliatelle

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    • calavera@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wow, whey I was doing a Bond Marathon many years ago, The ones with Dalton was the ones I most enjoyed. I think it was more action packed than the other ones

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      • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Funny you should mention whey, as that’s exactly like his pallor

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think they were bad movies, and I don’t think Dalton was bad in them.

      They just weren’t Bond. More a before their time Bourne clone. They were a massive tonal shift from the cheesy Moore era and people weren’t ready for it.

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      • Salvo@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They weren’t cheesy Cinematic Bond. They were realist Book Bond.

        That said, they said the same thing about Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.

        Connery had a bit of Dad-Joke cheese, especially in the later movies. Lazenby had slightly less cheese, but he only got the acting role because he was such a good con-artist/actor. Moore had all the Cheese and all the Camp. A few wheels short of Niven/Austin Powers. Dalton bought it back to the hard gritty roots, with a few jokes to dull the violence. Brosnan was a good balance between Moore and Dalton, primarily action/espionage with a bit of Cheese to appeal to the Moore fans. Craig removed all the cheese and went back to gritty. Almost like Dalton but with honest reality-based action.

        If you like Craig but don’t like Dalton, ask yourself what is more realistic, an Aston Martin rolling without the help of a hydraulic ram or a Mack Truck pulling a “mono” on eight wheels?

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      • raoulraoul@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, I beg to differ. Much as I detested the Moore reign, which got sillier and sillier movie after movie, I felt the Dalton Bond films were just plain dull and generic. You say Bourne clone, I say yawn. I will say that it wasn’t Dalton’s fault (I thought he made for a competent Bond) but the scriptwriters’ and cinematographers’ fault.

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      • _ed@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I had never watched them until now., the first was more standard bond template but with a serious bond.

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  • _ed@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I watched them all up to Spectre and would put View to a Kill at the bottom followed by Quantum of Solace.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, that’s a good shout. VtaK is awful from top to bottom.

      Octopussy and Moonraker are in the mix too.

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    • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Quantum could have been better, if they didn’t piss off the writers, causing a strike.

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey! I liked Die Another Day!

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  • niktemadur@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One from each, excluding Lazenby (who happened to make my favorite) and non-canon (Never Say Never Again):

    Connery - Diamonds Are Forever
    Moore - A View To A Kill
    Dalton - License To Kill
    Dalton - Die Another Day
    Craig - (I’m about to commit sacrilege here!) Skyfall

    Overall top worst:
    Diamonds Are Forever - the tone change between On Her Majesty’s Secret Service and this is jarring to the extreme, the fake-hip dialogue stinks to high heaven (“forget it, Charlie! You had your chance and you blew it!”), the mafia types were obsolete, quaint and flat cinematic caricatures, when The Godfather came out just a few months later.
    Bonus negative points for an unfit and disinterested Connery, seemingly in constant self-amused form at how little effort he can get away with onscreen for a then record million-and-change dollar salary.

    BUT…! There is another one, so much worse, but mercufully non-canon: 1967’s spoof Casino Royale, with David Niven, Peter Sellers and Woody Allen. Oh my GOD is that thing unwatchably awful!

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  • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Quantum of solace

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  • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Haven’t quite watched them all yet but from the sizeable sample range that I have seen, A View to Kill would probably be the worst.

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    • archonet@lemy.lol ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      say what you will about View to a Kill, but we have to agree that it has the best song. I’ve seen every single movie, more than once, and nothing is as painfully rad and 80s as Duran Duran’s contribution to the series.

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    • _ed@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To me watching them in sequence Die Another Day felt like a callback to the earlier Roger Moore (or even some Connery) Bond Movies. Tonally it was quite a shift from the previous couple of movies.

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lazenby

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Brosnan ones were some of my least favorites. The Connery Bond films were campy and silly fun, but you didn’t need to take them seriously. The characters and gadgets were the fun parts. But then we get to the Brosnan ones and the FX wrap the needle past silly fun to just ridiculous, like the helicopter chopping its way down the street. I also found the pacing off and the sequences seemed really choppy, so it was just bad storytelling, too. Next least favorites were the Dalton/Moore films, but I quite enjoyed Walken as the villain.

    I’m mixed over the Craig Bond. I really like the refresh; the more serious tone, the more brutal face of these films. This Bond is much more cynical, unhappy, and troubled. Unfortunately the humor isn’t there anymore, and the introspective parts of the character can be helpful as much as they are unnecessary sometimes.

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  • synae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t have a full ranking personally, and I there’s some I haven’t seen, but the first thing that popped into my head when reading the question was quantum of solace

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  • Ilflish@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Casino Royale. Not the Daniel Craig one, the old one

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  • Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having seen all of them, I’d probably agree with Die Another Day.

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