If 1 million people sign a petition, a ban on rendering multiplayer games unplayable has a chance to become law in Europe

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• maniel@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  well, while i understand sunsetting old online multiplayer games because hosting game servers is a non zero cost, i can’t understand the need for singleplayer games to be always connected and rendering them unplayable

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The company wouldn’t be required to keep their servers online, just to allow other people to host their own. So it has 0 ongoing cost and maybe few hours of coding during game development.

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    • FPSkra@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unless you are a game developer I would hold off on assuming how much work would be required to do what this proposal asks.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wat

      Building a whole cloud backend is not a few hours work.

      Plus I bet most of these companies share cloud tooling so they’ll need to make distinct standalone self host code

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  • JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s actually nothing wrong with no longer supporting a game you developed. The problem is these scummy bastards make sure no one can support the game or run it privately after they abandon it.

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can’t understand the “need” for the server to be hosted by the company. Our computers are just as good.

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    • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well look at gta online, moders and hackers have so much more power when the session isn’t run by the company. it alao allows them to find exploits much easier if the server tools are available to run locally. Also If you don’t want people being able to give themselves all the weapons and money and mess up your game that means game states can’t transfer between servers which means you could invest weeks in a campaign only to have the server close.

      I prefer locally hosted stuff but there are obvious benefits which draw game companies to choosing to control the hosting process

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  • 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Looking at you hitman…

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• leave_it_blank@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you are a European Citizen, sign it. It takes a minute of your time. Not more.

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  • Crazyblu@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who are u to tell me what to do ?

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    • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lol you downvoted yourself. I like it

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Their username is there with their comment

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• anakin78z@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I could see this leading to standardizing and outsourcing multiplayer services, which would be interesting.

  That being said, before that happens, as a developer I’d be like: here’s a zip file with all of our proprietary stuff ripped out. Have fun spending the next few months getting it to work well. Congratulations, you’re now supporting a game that did poorly enough for us to drop it.

  But seriously, go sign it. Long term it should be a good thing.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Have fun spending the next few months getting it to work well.

    judging by some fan mods out there, i think many people would genuinely have a blast doing this

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    • anakin78z@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh, it would be super fun if you’re into the game, as long as it doesn’t become a job, which it might.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sweats in GameSpy

    Honestly, it would probably lead to the major distributors also having control over that… So I guess one more yacht for Gaben?

    Kinda funny that people on this platform consider that centralization of the service would be a good thing.

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    • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On one hand, I’d love to see drop in replacements for steam services, especially something that could be selfhosted. On the other hand, if steam services ever goes down, there are metric megatons of reasons to reverse engineer a solution. The centralisation could end up being standardisation.

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    • anakin78z@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was thinking more of an open API of how the game interacts with multiplayer services, so that in theory anyone could setup a server, or server services. In practice I completely agree with you though. Nobody wants to do the whole “Oh wait, you’re on that server? I have an account with that other server” thing. Steam, or some other party, would just become the defacto place.

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  • yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The proposal is precisely about not letting your snake ass do that, since it would be no different than spinning a private server, customers shouldn’t have to learn how to analyse network packages and break DRM just to play a game they paid for because you turned off your server.

    Either sell it as a subscription or sell it as packaged product, not both.

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  • rozPierog@lemdro.id ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m old enough to remember when dedicated servers were the norm.

    Oh sweet times before the matchmaking

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• Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While this would be great for those “online needed to play” games, wouldn’t this also lead to companies preferring subscription models?

  I’d assume it’s easier to not include multiplayer in the “base” game and just charge a monthly subscription for the online part. Now the proposed law wouldn’t apply, since the customer only paid for the base game.

  It’s pretty obvious what the intention of the writers of the proposal is, but I feel like it could have an opposite effect and push even more to the “games as a service” model those greedy publishers so desperately want.

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  • yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Still better than the shit we have where Ubisoft just stole my game, The Crew.

    That’s part of the intention, either make a service or sell a game, companies are getting it both ways without the responsibility of neither.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Prepare for it to be official that you own nothing.

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  • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem is that a lot of companies are already launching dead-on-arrival live service games, so unless they’re willing to make something unique, all they will do is saturate the market further and keep burning money. I don’t think this law would change those incentives much if at all.

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  • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The reality is GaaS is exteremely hard to success. Every one success GaaS, there are probably 20 or 50 failed one that we even never heard.

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• TheSealStartedIt@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just signed it. Took 10 seconds with my ID-Card.

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• thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hey players! Our multiplayer AAA title “craftshootteams” isn’t doing well and we’re prohibited by law from switching it off. But not to worry, with our ad supported €99.99 per month premium package you can keep access to your loot, high score and kudos thanks to our partners Evilcorp and DataSeller who will transfer over to their servers. You just need to install their “SocialMedialSlurper” anti cheat client with full root access to continue.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    calm down satan

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    • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Idk, seems pretty accurate considering the overall pattern in the industry…

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  • denshi@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nice write-up, but really not helpful since it has nothing at all to do with what is actually proposed in the initiative.

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  • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If the price is too high on an already unprofitable game it’s still just going to lose money. It would probably be cheaper to just let the community run servers for them.

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• dirtybeerglass@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why did they have to make political ?

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  • grandma@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because making a law requires politics (???)

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  • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you mean by political?

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    • dirtybeerglass@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a meme, based on how gamerz cry when a female or black main character in a game.

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  • D61@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hah!

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• FPSkra@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The current language in this proposal is far too vague and has the potential to do more harm than good…I would hold off on signing this until a better proposal is made

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  • mranachi@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Care to explain your point with some detail?

    If this fails, I doubt we’ll see a second proposal. So I think it would be fair to measure any arguments you make as why no action is better than the proposal.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but this petition doesn’t decide the wording of any law just ensures it is brought to attention of EU lawmakers and discussed right?

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  • sm1dger@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If the petition hits it target, the politicians are forced to discuss it which would include agreeing workable language. It would not automatically become the law with the proposed language.

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    • FPSkra@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re gonna rely on the same group of people who wanted to ban memes to be able to draft a policy that differentiates between MMO’s, live service games, and single player games that need to be connected to the Internet? Naw dog …I ain’t trusting them old farts…VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET.

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• SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wouldn’t they just not release the games instead?

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That would cut them off from a huge market. Just look at bad actors like Google, Apple, and Microsoft. They comply with EU laws, since losing the market would hurt them too much financially.

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    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For a few specific games? Yeah they could stand to lose, it’s not every game in their catalog.

      Totally different situation.

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  • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t feel like reading the article, but I’m guessing if they want to release a multiplayer game that you have to pay for, and they want to shut down their servers (making the game unplayable), maybe they would be required to release their server software so people can host themselves.

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• apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is limited to EU members, yes? Not anyone in Europe?

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  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I assume so. I signed it earlier. You can either fill out a form or use your ID to verify your identity online.

    If your country shows up in the list, then it should work. eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

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    • apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah sadly my country isn’t listed - but I’ll cheer you all on from afar!

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anyone can sign, even from outside of EU, but the votes needed for petition to go through will only count from EU members.

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• ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cool!

  Tbh I just want a РРШ блять.

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  • Schmuppes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s an RRSH?

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    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lmao fixed. Hadn’t had my coffee yet, thanks.

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