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• deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I was asked by a different team how we can deal with bots

  So they are not competent enough to do it on their own, but your solution gets laughed at? Why help them at all?

  Let them allocate the budget for a “big boy” brand application firewall like F5 of paloalto…

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• NoLemurs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  I think people are right that the solution here isn’t to try a different project.

  Instead of being confrontational about it, though, I’d recommend a different aproach.

  evelyn: .lol 😜

  you: I know! I know. The branding is pretty silly. But this really is the right tool for the task. Unesco and Wikimedia use it. And we can do our own branding for $50/month. 🤷

  A lot can be fixed by just acknowledging people. They’re trying to evaluate something they don’t understand, and having a reaction. It’s not even unreasonable. The right thing to do is just acknowledge and move on.

  Usually that’s all it takes. Don’t let yourself be embarrassed when you’re being reasonable. If they won’t move on, that’s the point where I start thinking about job applications somewhere else.

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  • warm@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    This is because you are mature, you came up with the mature response.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    My response was basically something along those lines. But it’s still DOA, because that coworker now has to sell it to their team, and they won’t.

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• mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  “Look, we don’t need to use Photoshop for our shop. There’s an open source option that matches our use case perfect.”

  “What’s it called?”

  “Gnu Image Manipulation Program.”

  “That’s an awfully long name. They should have a shorter one that’s less of a mouthful to say.”

  “…they do not.”

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Strawman

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    • mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Image

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• fdnomad@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well you can pay 50 USD / month to remove the anime jackal girl and apply your own branding. I think its a fair system: hobby & FOSS projects don’t have to mind being cringe and profit-oriented operations that need to look professional can spare some of their profit for this cool service.

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  • magnue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Kinda a genius way to deliver a free service to individuals but force companies to pay for it. Just bung some really cringe pic there…

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That doesn’t really solve the problem. The problem arises when he presents the product. It’s a very unserious and unprofessional image that professionals see immediately when OP shows them the tool, which causes the project not to be taken seriously. Which is fine, because it’s not really a professional product, and isn’t trying to be. OP should probably just stop trying to present it as such. Any company is going to want something more common with funding and technical support anyway. Most likely what just about everyone else uses (Cloudflare).

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    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Open-Source sadly shooting itself in the foot again because of hills they choose to die on.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post

    If I could send them to eg. botstopper.com where there is no mascot to be found, then that would be a solution.

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    • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel like you didn’t understand what they are saying. That is the page of their monetization policy, not a demo.

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    • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am pretty sure the software is self hosted. So what is the issue?

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    • i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/…/botstopper.mdx

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Firstly, sorry you’re having this problem and sorry the responses here have been nearly universally unhelpful and aggressive. This is a pretty perfect case study of what I don’t like about the fediverse. There’s a lot to like about this place but what drives me nuts is the unhinged and reality-divorced types who cannot understand something so simple as normal people thinking things are weird. Half the respondents here think you should scream at your coworkers about this and/or quit. You asked an incredibly reasonable and relatable question and mostly got shat on for it. Just wanted to say that someone sees how ridiculous it is, not everyone here is lost completely in their own (hateful) world. Sorry I don’t have a solution for you.

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• MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anubis is not out to make money, as such it has absolutely no obligation to try to appeal to corpos who would use it without contributing back to it.

  Either your coworkers have to get over their hangups (have they not noticed that some of the best software that exists is made by furries?) or you’ll have to re-implement something yourselves.

  Anubis is open source. You COULD fork it and modify it for your own purposes.

  If your coworkers can’t separate what a piece of software is able to do from how it is branded, that’s their problem.

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  • rbos@lemmy.ca ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Xe Xaio is trying to self fund to replace their day job, so i wouldn’t say there’s no money motivation involved.

    It was a slightly uphill battle to get my organization to adopt it for similar reasons but we got there with the branding, and we love botstopper. I put some effort into letting them know just how much it’s blocking.

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• BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Look, you suggested software that does the job. The issue is not the software, its that your colleagues are being dismissive and disrespectful.

  Instead of looking for other alternatives, you need to be more assertive in your job and career. Tell them you offered an option that does the job and if they have better options its on them to offer them. And also tell them you dont appreciate “lol” as a response to a work suggestion.

  Scrambling to find an alternative because your work colleagues are too immature or arrogant to get past a animal character really doea not reflect well on you. Instead you can tell them the company can pay to and have their own branding, or they can go with a more expensive option like cloudflare, just because b they can’t be bothered to engage with the cheaper option.

  But whatever you do, do not accept this dismissive treatment by your colleagues. You’re just setting the standard that they can just laugh at you and insult you. That is the unprofessional behaviour by them, not some projects mascot. Do not tolerate that BS.

  You’ve been perfectly reasonable being argumentative with people here. Apply that attitude to your colleagues who are the real issue.

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  • shifting9810@lemmy.mrpostman.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    And also tell them you dont appreciate “lol” as a response to a work suggestion.

    Not sure if you’re joking but the answer isn’t “lol” it’s “.lol?” because the tld of the website ends in lol (anubis.techaro.lol)

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  • verstra@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I don’t think you understand the problem.

    I will never put myself in a situation again where I have to explain that it’s not weird to anyone again, same for that URL.

    To some people, anubis is weird, there is no changing that. It does the job, the mascot can be changed by paying, but the project itself is weird to some people. Such person is asking, is there an alternative. You cannot just say “push back that is not weird”.

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    • Azzu@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      You can, though.

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• Crescent@fedinsfw.app ⁨49⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  You immediately trying to put an age on the mascot is totally not weird, either.

  Why would anyone care what the domain name or the mascot for a tool is, if it does the job?

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  • alphabethunter@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    If a random visitor visits your website and they see a weird anime girl drawing talking about security, what is the chance of them just bouncing away afraid that it is a virus or an unsafe website? I’d say it’s definitely higher than 0%.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    OP is relaying an opinion they got from multiple people and frankly an expected one. You got weirdly mad at them for it.

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• sealhaslupus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  tell them to grow up

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Great career move, run around telling people to grow up.

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    • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Being assertive IS important in your career. Your colleagues are the unprofessional ones here. I would not tolerate someone sending me “lol” in a professional context and would quickly correct that behaviour.

      A factual reply is all thats needed “you asked for a solution, this is the solution. Please do not be dismissive or rude. If you want an alternative please look for yourself, just expect the cost to be significantly higher. Otherwise I’m happy to discuss any concerns which are easily addressed such as branding”.

      There is a huge difference between being rude and beibg assertive. They’re clearly being rude. You need to be assertive in response.

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    • sealhaslupus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      depends on what kind of relationship you have with your colleagues.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I also find the logo weird. They call it Anubis, but use an anime girl instead of a sexy, shirtless jackal man like Neferu.

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• soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  There are alternatives like go-away, iocaine, etc.

  You could also just send them a PDF or HTML file explaining how Anubis works, and refuse to send the URL or mascot until they are convinced to implement it.

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• OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If the UNESCO and Wikimedia websites can use it, so does your company. Not an issue of the software, grow up.

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• anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I imagine Anubis looking like that is because professional settings really should sponsor when using open source.
  anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper/
  github.com/sponsors/Xe
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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post

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    • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can always contact techaro.lol and ask if they’re willing to setup a secondary domain for you.

      Or you can use others endorsements of the product to give it weight.
      "The Linux Foundation uses Anubis to protect git.kernel.org and lore.kernel.org and seem very satisfied with the result.
      For the low cost of 50USD/Month we get a custom branded version of it.
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      • …kernel.org/…/1bb84190-f207-4adc-ac0e-8eb87a8a60f…"

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• lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Step 1: buy a Professional Domain like antibot-enterprise-pro.com

  Step 2: CNAME it to techaro.lol

  Step 3: Profit!!

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  • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip ⁨42⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    God forbid they make a living themselves? Lol

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• diminou@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Look buddy I understand that URL has the same issue you mention in your post but it is the official Anubis URL.

  Thus if you really want to be professional you load up the URL past the anime girl, organize a meeting and share your screen.

  Tell them what it is and what it is for.

  Explain what is opensource and the fact that this is free only if they accept that anime girl. Otherwise it’ll be 50 bucks and they can put their own ai designed logo instead.

  If they are still acting like childs treat them like childs. Recenter the meeting on what it is for. Do a proof of concept. I don’t know, do something instead of stating that the official website is not how you would like it to be ?

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That is not always possible, or worth the fight.

    Even if I was willing to go through all of that, not everyone is, so what happens is more people turn to cloudflare instead of something Foss

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    • neatchee@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sounds like you work with a bunch of short-sighted, judgemental simpletons who cannot look past initial aesthetics for a product that has nothing to do with aesthetics.

      Tbh I would run far the fuck away from that company if they can’t be bothered to sit down for a meeting where you explain that it’s an open-source project run by an extremely small team of nerds and that there is a commercial product available without the branding issues.

      Everything you’re describing about your employer/coworkers gives me giant red-flag warnings regarding their decision making process.

      Time to start looking for a new employer, or accept that they’re idiots and next time they ask about bots tell them “I’ve tried explaining this already but you dismissed me for silly reasons, so go pay for CloudFlare and stop bothering me”.

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• CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anubis is open source under the MIT license. If the branding is an issue, fork it, change the branding, call it good.

  The MIT license makes it, effectively, a whitebox solution. You can change the branding to whatever you want it to be.

  If your colleagues are people of a technical inclination they should understand that. If they don’t I would question their competence and literacy. If they’re not technical in nature I would question why any such proposal is reaching their desk without having first been rebranded, implemented in a test environment, thouroughly tested, and then (and only then) being presented as a proof of concept.

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• slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Botstopper.

  Litterly the same thing but you can customise the image.

  anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post

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    • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You need to direct the conversation away from the logo to the actual product. You are having a technical discussion to fulfill a technical need. When someone brings up the logo you do 1 of 2 things.

      1. We will get back to that. ( and just don’t, there will be more questions about other things to make people forget)
      2. A. You tell them is a branding thing and we can change it to our own company logo. Or
      3. B. Mock up the page with your logo to show them.

      It sucks but you need to crank into sales mode and suck up to the manglement team who will ultimately approve the expenditure.

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• scrchngwsl@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  So many unhelpful responses here… This is obviously a problem in some professional environments. Same problem with Gimp…

  Sorry OP, you’re probably stuck with Cloudflare.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Thanks yea I see there are some reasonable people here in the comments.

    Nobody has suggested a solution to my problem, most responses just say that my coworkers need to grow up, or that I need to fight harder at work or some BS.

    None of that address the Issue.

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• reddeadhead@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If they’re that picky about it just point them to cloudflare and let them solve their own issues.

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• SirHaxalot@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Realistically your best option is a CDN with some layer of bot detection and blocking. Cloudflare is of course the most popular choice, https://bunny.net might also work but I haven’t tried their advanced Shield level so not sure how good it is.

  Some commercial advanced firewall / WAF might also be an option. Seems most of them has Bot mitigation features, but I haven’t tried their never personally tried anything like that.

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• irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Pay for the unbranded version, or set it up and replace the image with whatever you want. It’s open source and is trivial just to replace the image. I see it with different images all the time on other sites. Name and other branding is a little more work to replace, but can be done and that’s what the paid version provides.

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• diecknet@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post

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• Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why don’t you just fork it, remove the logo, an set up a domain yourself?

  Alternatively, you could set up a presentation that they are a white labeling service, and the reason they use that domain and mascot is to discourage corporations from using the free tier, since the free tier is meant for personal use, and that their reaction is exactly what Anubis aims for unless a corporation is willing to pay for customized service tailored to them.

  That ship may have sailed by now depending on how you dealt with the situation, but that would have been the best case scenario. Advocating for something that you know is good, is also good for your career, because now, even if you do recommend something else, your reputation will still be marked by the fact you recommended Anubis and then folded without explaining well why you recommended Anubis despite the mascot. If you still can, I’d bring up the whole thing with the mascot anyway even if you move on to recommend a different service, to save your own reputation for the future, since you seem to be so focused on your perceived career.

  Anyway, you can use Cloudflare. Ideologically I oppose it, but it works and is familiar with the non-tech people. There’s also SilentShield, which is based in Europe and in my opinion works better than Cloudflare’s protection in terms of load times.

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• notabot@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It is a big problem with a number of opensource projects that could get wider adoption and support, especially from businesses, but seem to, almost deliberately, work against that with their naming and/or branding.

  Anubis is a perfect example. In this case the name is ok, and by all means have a cutsey mascot for the basic offering, but if they want businesses to subscribe they need a professional offering. That should be on a separate domain, styled to attract the decision makers in their target market, and that includes having a .com or similar domain name and a more serious logo. Do that, and it becomes a serious contender in the market, rather than a technically good but excessively kooky option.

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  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    <rant>

    especially from businesses

    if they want businesses to subscribe

    styled to attract the decision makers in their target market

    Do that, and it becomes a serious contender in the market

    The market who’s responsible for fucking up the internet? The market that constantly attacks websites with crawlers to steal everything for value extraction, which Anubis fights against? The market that couldn’t care less about you unless you provide value to it, and even then won’t give you a penny unless forced (while building the whole internet on your shoulders)? That market?

    Most FOSS devs I know who aren’t forced into it couldn’t give less of a fart about “the market” and capitalists with sticks in their rear ends inside it. The monetization was often just attached to a project because it makes sense given we’re all trapped in capitalism and perhaps have to somehow cover project costs (probably less so for Anubis), not because it’s a goal to attract investment.

    People who’re appaled by something so simple such as a .lol domain and a cute mascot sound awful to talk to anyway.

    It is a big problem with a number of opensource projects that could get wider adoption and support

    I tell you how that “support” looks like. Companies who adopted the software will add your maintainer Email to their business contacts. If there are issues with your software they’ll then usually ignore the developer route and directly write emails to you, and if it’s a big problem for them immediately blame you and threaten legal action, blahblahblah. They’ll treat you like someone they have a support contract with and be completely confused when you tell them to open an issue and that you otherwise don’t care. Meanwhile they’ll build an empire using your software and be a persistent nuisance.

    Why should anyone care about this.

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  • lightrain@forum.storstad.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think they have a professional offering. You can give them a bit of your money to have a proper branding as you like, vor just remove it.

    It is simply stupid if the companies prejudge a project in such a way, although there would be an offer for them, which is made especially for commercial projects.

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    • notabot@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They do have a professional offering, but it’s offered in a deeply unprofessional way. Selling to businesses means you need both the technical offering, but also the correct commercial offering. That means presenting yourself in a way that attracts the attention of the decision makers in those businesses, and telling them a compelling story of why your product is the best fit to solce their problem. A .lol domain and a cartoon catgirl doesn’t do that.

      I’d suggest that, for the cost of an extra domain name, and a boring logo, they could probably significantly increase their subscriber base. There’s nothing stopping them keeping the current mascot on the current site at the same time.

      You call it stupid to prejudge a project in such a way, but businesses need a product to buy, not a project.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    100% couldn’t agree more.

    They’d easily pay 1000$ for a tool like this, and I’d be able to sell it to multiple teams. But after my experience recommending Anubis at work, I will simply never recommend it again until they offer something like you have mentioned.

    It’s so frustrating.

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• aldhissla@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Your business deserves to suffer the consequences of being stuck in a juvenile mindset. Simple as. I know it’s not helpful, but there’s no helping your business.

  I hope Ms Evelyn W. is otherwise contributing more to the company than the costs she helps cause in technology deficit. But somehow I doubt it.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not my business, and it’s not even them making the decisions. it’s coworkers

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• _hovi_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I agree that if you’re a business you should probably just pay so you can change the image.

  I’ve been meaning to set up something like iocaine.madhouse-project.org though, seems interesting.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Paying isn’t the issue, it’s convincing colleagues

    When I try to do so they react weirdly and I am just left feeling uncomfortable recommending Anubis because of the reactions I get.

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  just donate to them and you can brand it however you want; but honestly if people think a tool that little makes your site better is silly then they shouldn’t be in it.

  either that or just set up your fail2ban and modsec rules yourself in conjuntion with crs ruleset.

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• basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I understand you are just looking for an easy open source project that solves your issue, but it seems fairly obvious to me that your real issue here is that you are not willing to push for your teammates to accept that it is a valid service even if branded a bit oddly.

  You should go for the $50 professional tier and get your team to accept that as valid by respectfully asserting yourself instead of wetnoodling and trying to get a different project that requires less assertiveness on your part.

  Good luck with your team.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have tried twice to push it, and both times I’ve gotten weird reactions because of the branding.

    It’s not worth it for me to do that again, I wish Anubis had a paid version with a different domain and no cutsie anime girl branding. That would make it significantly easier to sell to me colleagues

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    • unskilled5117@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think the developer might benefit hearing that point of view. A separate website that only lists the paid tier without displaying the anime branding seems beneficial for them. You could suggest it to them.

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    • lightrain@forum.storstad.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If they cannot stay professional, be the one who stays professional.

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    • basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You say you have tried to convince them twice. How have you tried to bitch it so far? Like, give us a word for word and we may be able to help you workshop it.

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• SrMono@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If you send the link with references of big party users, and under the premise that you can make it look as professionell as you need it to be, and you still get the „lol“s for a lol-TLD: show them the finger and let them drown in their traffic.

  They were not interested in your opinion from the get-go.

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• Arda@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  That’d so funny man lol i love the mascots tbh

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