I mean, if you really want it, HoloISO is almost the exact same thing, just without any support from Valve.
[News] SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck'
Submitted 10 months ago by Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz to steamdeck@sopuli.xyz
https://www.pcgamer.com/steamos-on-handheld-pcs/
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frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 10 months ago
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Or anyone else…
woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
HoloISO is almost the exact same thing, just without any support from Valve.
All public interest in HoloISO pretty much died when the author came out as a fanboy of Putin’s war. The aforementioned Bazzite seems to be the best supported option these days.
frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 10 months ago
Oh, I wasn’t aware of that at all, my bad. Bazzite looks much more polished, as well.
Residency9664@feddit.de 10 months ago
Gabagoolzoo@kbin.social 10 months ago
At this moment in time, Bazzite is just straight up a better experience than SteamOS. Fedora backend with rpm-ostree is way better than what Valve has going on. And for Steam Deck, GNOME just makes more sense for touch interfaces.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Yeah, I was puzzled why Valve chose KDE to be the default desktop for a touchscreen device. Ultimately though I figured they just wanted a Linux desktop that would be more familiar to Windows users.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Bazzite is just straight up a better experience than SteamOS. Fedora backend with rpm-ostree is way better than what Valve has going on. And for Steam Deck, GNOME just makes more sense for touch interfaces.
Bazzite defaults to Plasma for Desktop Mode just as SteamOS. According to universal-blue.org/images/bazzite/installation/ Gnome is only the 4th installer choice.
Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Can confirm, been using it since…launch almost. Was on Ublu Kinoite Main38 when F38 went into beta.
khannie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Was on Ublu Kinoite Main38 when F38 went into beta.
I’m not even sure if you’re taking the piss or that’s a real thing
Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 10 months ago
I've been loving it on desktop, personally
null@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Welp, there go my weekend plans.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
I tried Chimera. It doesn’t work too well.
Hominine@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The temerity to repeat ‘soon’ for well over a year is one of Valve’s worst traits. One wonders if reflexively lying to customers is baked into their culture.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
I think Valve has good intentions and wants a lot of things done soon, but they just don’t have enough people on their Steam Deck team to get things done at the speed they want.
Tau@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Yeah, and that’s probably why development for 3.5 has also been this slow. They were busy with the OLED model
Hominine@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Your guess has the right feel for me too. A lot of people were hungry for OLED and this is the trade off.
I’m just ready for Linux to grow. Maybe it is naive to think that one distro will carry us much further but with the proper solution I can easily imagine a lot of people dual booting their PCs soon.
Telorand@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Honestly, what would you get out of SteamOS anyway? Just install Linux, set up the drivers you need, launch Steam at startup, and default it to Big Picture Mode.
Boom, SteamOS.
bioemerl@kbin.social 10 months ago
Steam OS is a lot more powerful than big picture
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
I dunno but I tried that and it didn’t work at all. Had to go searching around online for how to even install a damn game. Then when I launched it, the game started running at like 2FPS.
The same game runs on the same PC on Windows at 144FPS.
And that’s the story of the time I tried to game on Linux.
vanderbilt@beehaw.org 10 months ago
I hope it does because the biggest problem for handhelds like the Ally is the atrocious experience as soon as you leave steam big picture. Armor Crate is buggy as hell and trying to click anything in window with the joysticks is not fun. Not to mention the usual Windows shenanigans of update every damn day and spam me with bs about one drive and angry birds.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Yeah, I feel like the Steam Deck is the only handheld PC that could be a decent experience without trackpad, since it provides a console like experience. It’s pretty unacceptable in my opinion to have windows handhelds forcing a windows desktop experience without a trackpad.
vanderbilt@beehaw.org 10 months ago
I imagine some of the smarter people at Microsoft are seeing the Steam Deck unfold and are realizing it’s a potential threat. Desktop is dying, and gaming is one of the few segments still doing alright in the space. Microsoft wants to make sure games continue to be made for Windows even as mobile and consoles take over the lion’s share of profits. They haven’t been buying up studios just to prop up Xbox 😉. The Deck runs Windows games, and if compatibility ever reaches a point that the average gamer doesn’t need to know they aren’t running Windows, Microsoft is in big trouble. With the progress made just in the last five years alone, it’s an eventual possibility.
Licensing is a cost in an already razor-thin market. If gamers won’t care that a device isn’t running Windows - they won’t install Windows on it, and the OEM will just pocket the difference. Valve also has an advantage traditionally enjoyed by console manufacturers. They can sell it at no profit or even a loss, because Steam Store sales will make the money back.
So long as Valve keeps steady progress and improving compatibility, they will carve out their niche. If they can somehow get studios with major multiplayer games to provide official support, the chicken and egg problem will solve itself.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Not going to happen until NVIDIA proprietary drivers work well in Wayland
woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
EpicGamer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You might want to check out update 545
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Yes, I tested it. Some issues were fixed, but it’s far from being complete
shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 10 months ago
You can tuna steam deck but you can’t tuna fish
rooster_butt@lemm.ee 10 months ago
What about the glue?
Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
I don’t think SteamOS is a good desktop OS. It’s designed for a gaming console, e.g. a handheld or gaming pc connected to a tv.
The desktop mode is great but the immutable filesystem isn’t good for installing of system level apps that are necessary for day to day usage. E.g. kernel modules for OBS virtualcam, VirtualBox and similar.
Any Linux distro with Steam is a generally better experience for desktop usage. SteamOS is big picture mode by default, a desktop OS should open the desktop by default.
That’s why I think people will be disappointed if Valve releases SteamOS for any pc.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Immutable OS’s are increasingly popular. While some types of software are harder to install, the system being harder to break is very appealing. I know if I setup my wife/kids/parents with a Linux OS I would go with an immutable OS to reduce how much they could accidentally break.
Big thing is SteamOS needs a way to install traditional packages permanently. Other immutable OS’s usually offer an option to reboot to install packages not otherwise available/viable through flatpak or distrobox/nix.
Holzkohlen@feddit.de 10 months ago
So what comes first: SteamOS for desktop or Half Life 3?
arthur@ludosphere.fr 9 months ago
@Fubarberry a bit of newbie on these distributions, it seems that nvidia graphic cards are a nogo for chimeraos and holoiso. Has anyone some good experience with bazzite ?
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
I’ve heard lots of good things about Bazzite, but I don’t have any hands on experience with it. I think it would be a good option.
arthur@ludosphere.fr 9 months ago
@Fubarberry stuck on https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/issues/391 for now... shame they don't have a list of supported devices.
andrewz@stranger.social 10 months ago
Translation:
Steam-OS never caught on to
PC So we made steam-deck.Now to fight the others competition we will make it for
their handheld systemsThey wont get the love the Steam
version does.And to be honest, windows 11 runs faster more games native,
Complete control over the device
(Partitioning/configs) endless software, and the UI scales
very well.Note: You cant down-vote this
or curse my karma! This is MASTODON!!! Da ta ta da!!!LOL I running GNU since 89!
🐒 🌬️muse@kbin.social 10 months ago
ok
falsem@kbin.social 10 months ago
I'm on kbin, I can definitely downvote you
Grimpen@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I’m on Lemmy, downvotes assemble!
andrewz@stranger.social 10 months ago
Where are my post going to?
Down votes? You guys are smoking that Reddit crack?LOL this is getting really
interesting? where are you?This is MASTODON bitches!!!
You cant touch me!!!No seriously where are you
guys? Can you ban me and stuff?
Im confused.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
Windows doesnt blankent statement run every game faster than linux as native sometimes isnt the fastest method.
Take for example, dx11 and older games. They lack a asynchronous shader cache which heavily helps minimum framerates and 1% lows. Because of older api games going through the dxvk translation process, games them would have a working cache and bypass some inherent problems with a game. MMOs like Final Fantasy 14 and guild wars 2 gain benefits, even single player games like FF7R translating from DX11 > Vulkan performed better than the DX12 native.
Elden Ring was one of the first games to show this problem and was documented. When Elden Ring launched, it effectively had shader cache broken, causing microstutters. Users on Linux, especially the steam deck, did not receive that problem because Vulkan already fixed the probelm without the devs needing to fix it.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
We can still downvote you, being the only user here accessing the thread via mastodon, just means you’re the only one not seeing how big of an L you’re taking.
The rest of us can see it just fine.
andrewz@stranger.social 10 months ago
So whats going on? What is the L
Where is my post going to Reddit?
Cool this is interesting tell me please.
savvywolf@pawb.social 10 months ago
People will do anything to avoid installing “linux”…
netchami@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
That’s why they called it “SteamOS”, not “Steam Linux”
vanderbilt@beehaw.org 10 months ago
Fact of the matter is the most successful Linux devices are the ones that you don’t need to know Linux to use. Chromebooks and steam decks are popular because they don’t need tinkered with. You can if you want, but the average person can just use it.
averyminya@beehaw.org 10 months ago
The Steam Deck is the first Linux machine that hasn’t killed itself on me or given me hiccups during basic installations of things.
The only thing the Steam Deck hasn’t “just worked” for me for is Rocksmith.
Again, the Steam Deck is the only Linux machine that I’ve had that just works and does not make me want to tear my hair out.
When Linux accomplishes that it will be more popular. Until then, it feels like trying to play whackamole with fixes and solutions to things that should just work in the first place.
savvywolf@pawb.social 10 months ago
Yeah, the fact that it just works and comes with the hardware is good.
However I think the article is suggesting a world where gamers go and install SteamOS as a regular distro. I think that’s going to be a lot harder and more error prone than just installing Mint and putting Steam on it.
gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 10 months ago
I’d argue it hasn’t imploded on you because it’s immutable. You’d have a similar rock solid experience on any of the immutable Fedora releases (Silverblue, Kinoite etc) or some of the other immutable distros
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Yeah as much as I love Linux, it’s much more tuned for tinkerers, developers, and techies because everything is rtfm and troubleshooting yourself. After the initial setup process though, you would have gained enough knowledge to fix a lot of things if it ever is broken.
Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I just spent 2 hours trying and failing to get a Hello, World! in Eclipse, I’m not brave enough for Linux
neeeeDanke@feddit.de 10 months ago
Depending on what you want to do the one does not imply the other. (And some times coding actually is easier on Linux, I had a way better experience compiling my c++ projects there then my friend had on windows)