There were so many Nintendo apologists when Yuzu was taken down because “Yuzu used actual nintendo source code, so that’s why they were taken down, it won’t happen to Ryujinx.” Yet here we are. Nintendo is by far the shittiest company when it comes to protecting their IP, because it’s all they have. Turns out, Mario is a fucking bootlicker
Nintendo shuts down Ryujinx
Submitted 7 months ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to steamdeck@sopuli.xyz
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kautau@lemmy.world 7 months ago
yonder@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I don’t understand how people think getting rid of emulators is good. Having emulators is better as a consumer than not having them at all, since it can give gamers more ways to play their games and might incentivize Nintendo to add features to compete with emulators (think better res and fps, mod support, save states, no online requirement).
pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because a subset of people are idiots. Remember: some people think unions exist to steal your money, socialism is communist dictatorship propaganda, and privatization of government services is good for everybody.
_____@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Nintendo fanboys are a special breed of stupid, arguing with them about Nintendo’s policies and anti consumer practices is just a wasted effort.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 7 months ago
Yuzu did not use “nintendo source code”.
They simply hosted decryption keys in their repository. But that still was not the focus of Nintendo’s move. It was that Yuzu and its company profited directly from the release of The Legend of Zelda.
kautau@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Makes sense, what was the focus on their move here?
Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well he is always saving the monarchy. Should have been kinda obvious 👑
samus12345@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Saving one monarchy from another.
vga@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
because it’s all they have
I’m not quite sure you fully understand what you said here, given your surrounding arguments. Nintendo literally cannot exist if they allow emulators.
pyre@lemmy.world 7 months ago
fuck Nintendo and fuck fanboys who defend them at every turn. breath of the wild was a 7/10 game
helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 months ago
I actually hated BotW 😂
Its insanely repetitive and I got so tired of watching the same cut scenes over and over with no way to skip them…
I know it’s a hot take but don’t downvote me for my opinion haha.
refalo@programming.dev 7 months ago
I’ve hated every cartoony zelda ever made. I will die playing LttP over and over again.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Botw is easily a 9/10 for me . Totk too. I really like Nintendos take on open world. However, I still appreciate the other Zelda games a lot and I hope they don’t completely abandon that linear formula
dovahking@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The world is interactive but bland. Except a few scenic vistas, there’s nothing interesting about the botw’s open world.
01011@monero.town 7 months ago
BOTW is not a real Zelda game IMHO.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
All the more reason to buy their next system at V1.0 with 0 games.
…keep it in the box for a year and keep an eye on a hack hitting the news.
And009@reddthat.com 7 months ago
I desperately wanted a switch 2 and been gaming on my mac using emu and a handful of native games until release.
But at this point I’ll probably pick up the ps5 or steam deck just to avoid these folks ^
turtletracks@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
The Steam Deck is a great option, I have a hub to be able to play on my TV, and don’t tell Nintendo, but a lot of Switch games run nicely.
I have an SD full of every NES-N64 game with a bunch of GameCube thrown in too, it’s a beautiful thing. Plus gyro on old GameCube games is pretty funny
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it objectively is not a 7/10.
refalo@programming.dev 7 months ago
You know ratings are inherently subjective right?
pyre@lemmy.world 7 months ago
yeah I probably overrated it
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I say this as a die-hard 3D Zelda fan:
I was soooo boooored in BOTW! There was no current main story. It all happened in the past. You’re basically playing through the climax the entire time. And I hated it. I mainly play Zelda for the story, and this was a very poorly told one.
TOTK was somewhat better because it gave us better characters (I will die for Tulin), a bit better characterization (I enjoyed Zelda getting a lot more fleshed out this time), and a somewhat better story… but there were still way too many reused story beats. That is to say, the story was fleshed out much better, but they still reused the overall story structure from BOTW (get the memories fight the four bosses in the four temples, etc.). They did add a fifth temple and a mid-game story thing, but that’s mostly it. They also didn’t even acknowledge how similar some things were to their counterparts in BOTW (ex. the
MaliceGloom), which really bothered me. Also, some stuff just felt… unfinished. Like the reporter bird who, by the end of it all, just ends up pondering and trying to figure himself out… and that’s it. It felt like setup for DLC, but there wasn’t any.… That was a very unintentionally long rant.
To summarize: hated BOTW; somewhat enjoyed TOTK, though it could’ve been much better.
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
‘offered an agreement’
So bribed them?
merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
They sent people to his house
I’m Brazil
motherfucker had goons sicced on him
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
FWIW Brazil has the largest population of Japanese people outside of Japan.
Mango@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Honestly that in itself sounds illegal. What was the emulator’s license? The guy taking the money isn’t the only code contributor.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m a bit bitter this was apparently only announced through discord?
The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I wouldn’t have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn’t all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.
Some won’t let you sign up without a phone #.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
I will never not be pissed off that the overwhelming majority of communities that made the internet vibrant especially when nerding out about a fairly niche stuff just happily moved to discord and foreclosed their futures.
refalo@programming.dev 7 months ago
I think eventually if a federated system (or particular server) gets too popular they will just defederate from everyone else and perpetuate the same problem all over again
recklessengagement@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, this is a big part of why I stopped using discord recently. Not yet sure of any alternatives but leaving is step one.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Matrix.
And… Lemmy.
It doesn’t matter though, the problem is the critical mass is migrating to Discord and shunting everything out of view.
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Yeah, why don’t they send an owl to each interested party?
Some of us like to be contacted via cute and fluffy snow owls…
ekZepp@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You are a wizard Joe!..
…but an average one.
Hazzard@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah… even worse, it appears the admin didn’t even announce it, this is just one of the developers clarifying what the admin probably did.
As someone who uses Ryujinx, I literally spent the afternoon curious about an error I was getting while updating about the build server being down “probably because it’s building a new version, check back in a few minutes”, only to find a Twitter screenshot of this linked in slack that evening.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Twitter screenshot of this linked in slack that evening.
The modern internet in a nutshell, lol.
2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 7 months ago
People think emulator protections in the law are stronger than they really are. Sony vs Connectix made emulation legal, but it wasn’t heard by the supreme court. PS1 games weren’t encrypted and relied on other methods like disc wobble to prevent piracy…so without proactively violating any measures you could just not include that check in your competing emulator and play retail discs without breaking any laws.
In steps the DMCA anti-circumvention laws for bypassing video game / console encryption measures, which is an even bigger untested minefield without precedent in favor of emulation. And since games are default encrypted on new consoles and arguably not subject to exemption (at least while still supported) it really might be a disaster to fight it.
Nintendo is a dick but it’s not in our interest or theirs to really push the boundary on the status quo. The get to slap suit whatever they want taken down, we get to play the emulation hydra game where it’s still legally grey.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Personally I don’t give a flying Fuck what the law says, breaking copyright is the only thing preventing the world from being more of a dystopian nightmare with subscription mice and trains that break down if you take them to a mechanic and I can’t wait for someone in china or India to take the Open source code and make a better emulator.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I care what the law says if it’s wrong.
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
If they had an actual plan or history of preserving games I’d not care about emulator development. But with the industry track record being so poor we need emulators if for nothing else for preservation.
So much culturally interesting data has already been lost to time which I bet future historians would absolutely love to have access to. The internet archive is missing much of the early internet, while old iPhone and Android apps are largely unable to be run even if you have the APK/IPA required,
taiyang@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As with Yuzu, I won’t be buying any more switch games. I’ll still be playing switch games, and so will my friends, but we won’t my buying them.
Honestly, I’ve lived watching emulators for decades. They can come and go and there’s always more, even ones that aren’t forks. Just today I was reminiscing on my first emulators, zsnes, no$gmb and nesticle. Y’all remember the peaceful zsnes snowfall? Good times.
not_a_dog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I used all of those. Also, Genecyst for Sega Genesis emulation. Remember when emulation really blew up when UltraHLE successfully ran Ocarina of Time? That was when I first became aware of emulators.
taiyang@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There’s a very very interesting story about nesticle but unfortunately I’ve forgotten it. Some kind of drama, a bit edge lord stuff, and I think someone died? It’s actually one of the first emulators, ever, though.
It was a very niche community back then though, long before IGN caught wind. Weird I only found out because of a crazy conspiracy theory uncle, though. Thanks for reminding me about UltraHLE, though!
pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Obligatory fuck Nintendo, but I also blame the selfish dumbfucks who keep posting videos of themselves playing unreleased games on YouTube and Reddit. If you want nice things contingent on having software which exists in a legal gray area, don’t openly poke the litigious hornets’ nest.
flashgnash@lemm.ee 7 months ago
That’s inevitable though, blame them all you want those people will always exist
SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
I own a Nintendo, and I haven’t used it in years. I bought some games which were ridiculously priced compared to what I was used to on steam. I’m rather annoyed they keep their games console exclusive for this reason, they have like a monopoly of a market they control, it feels.
I was gonna get some more games to put on it, but with then shutting down these emulators, I think I’ll use one of those instead. Fuck Nintendo.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah I haven’t used my switch in a long time. I think I might have power surged it, but I don’t really care enough to even double check.
I have a switch emulator on my external HD along with a bunch of other emulators. When I get my next PC I’ll just play whatever switch games I want on that.
M600@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Even having a switch, I still prefer to dump the games and play them on steamdeck. That way, I can just bring one device for gaming.
Even is emulation is not perfect on the steamdeck, I’m still happy to play at lower performance or with some graphical glitches for the convenience.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Just hack it
yonder@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
It’s supported by LineageOS lol. You could repurpose it as a tablet to stream steam games.
SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Oh I didn’t realize that’d be an option. Where shall I start?
xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I need to remind some people here who don’t seem to understand something.
Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.
However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.
It’s a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.
garret@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Agree. Was thinking exactly the same this afternoon. If there would be a new generational console evolution (like it happened from the Wii to the Switch), then the when would be much faster. However, since it seems Nintendo is going for a Switch 2, I am just sad that Switch emulators will be halted for several years :/
mlg@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah hopefully.
I said this in another thread; I hope whoever picks it up keeps their dev team anonymous or prepares to enter this era’s legal battle, especially since it was supposedly already decided with an old Sony lawsuit against emulators.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 7 months ago
btw. Were the opensource?
xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Yes, both Yuzu and Ryujinx were open source.
Ryujinx is licensed under MIT and Yuzu is under GPLv3.
mctoasterson@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Yeah, this is dumb.
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo’s marketing efforts combined)
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A lot of people resort to emulation simply so they can play mods too.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
That’s a perk of emulation, but it isn’t the reason why someone would pirate over purchasing it. People just want free shit, but they have a weird mental block in admitting it.
prole@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Can’t wait until our courts decide that, due to the prevalence of “remasters” that are just upscaled ROMs running on emulators, that this is no longer considered “fair use.”
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Fair use has nothing to do with this. Fair use has to do with distributing a copyrighted work. Emulators are (ideally) running completely original code that isn’t copied from the company’s source code. This is why, for example, PCSX2 has you use “your own” PS2 BIOS instead of including it.
The PS2 BIOS is copyrighted, so it’s illegal to distribute it (and it’s never been “fair use” to distribute it). But it’s not illegal to do whatever you want with it (including dump it) as long as you own the console you’re dumping it from and as long as you don’t upload it to the internet for the purpose of distributing it to others. As far as the law is concerned, you bought the console and can do to it whatever you wish, provided you keep it to yourself and don’t distribute it to others.
Games fall under the same category. You’re free to dump your games and play them however you wish, provided you don’t distribute the dumped game to other people. However, companies are also free to implement measures (DRM) to stop you from doing that as much as possible, likely because they know more people would illegally distribute them if they didn’t.
frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 7 months ago
I’m one of those weirdos who actually dumps all my own games with my own modded launch Switch mainly for preservation purposes.
But then TotK came out and performed so poorly on the console itself, I exported my save to play on PC and Steam Deck. Every part of my Switch emulation journey has been legal and by-the-book: dumped my own firmware, my own keys, and my own games.
Fuck Nintendo for bullying these developers.
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
I know it’s not happening, but I’d love it if Nintendo went the way of Sega, and just made games. They’ve always been hit and miss with their consoles anyway, it’s the games people love. Just fuck it, start releasing games for multiple platforms and focus on what you’re actually fucking good. Pipe dream, I know
3xa8yte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.
nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 7 months ago
What do they think they achieve with this?
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.
I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.
Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their sources regularly as a fallback.
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Go to hell Nintendo. I will never buy anything from them again and I will advise gamers I know to do the same.
refalo@programming.dev 7 months ago
Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously…
archonet@lemy.lol 7 months ago
And then nobody ever made another emulator for Nintendo products again and this definitely does not foreshadow an endless game of whack-a-mole powered by spite.
Surely not.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Is there still an alternative left for the switch?
skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Tons of boot kickers in the comments here
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m now pretty sure we got our last Nintendo switch game. I’m not going to buy out kids anything Nintendo anymore. They are the most recent RIAA.
tomjuggler@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well that sucks… I’m still pissed at Roblox for their DRM rug pull on Linux. Didn’t stop the bots and hackers for more than two weeks anyways - bet Ryujinx 2.0 will be out soon too.
Anyone know if DRM is cracked on Roblox yet? Just a yes or no I can find it nevermind I’ll go look
josephsh5@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Why is Nintendo in particular this aggressive against emulators? Why haven’t we heard of Sony going after PCSX2 and RPCS3, or Microsoft going after Xenia and Xemu?
krolden@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
How about a link to it instead of a discord screenshot jfc
samus12345@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The last version released is 1.1.1403. Easy to find with a google search.
Istolla@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I can’t wait until you kids grow up and realize you’re not entitled to everything.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Never give Nintendo money.
badbytes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
These asstards really hate fun.
The SWITCH, is my last Nintendo product I will own.
Templa@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Flathub ia still available to whoever needs it
Voytrekk@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fuck Nintendo. All they have done is ensure I never buy one of their products again.
M600@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Same! In fact, I have a switch, but tears of the kingdom was the last thing I bought for it.
I’ve skipped everything else. It’s not worth supporting an evil company.