There's a reason we aren't as harsh on the Steam Deck. Actually, a couple.

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• amenotef@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not sure if it’s the meme but here (Europe) there is a huge difference in price between the basic 512GB OLED SD and the basic PS5 pro option.

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  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … and you have to pay for PS Plus repetitively to play games with friends.

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    • Z3k3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jokes on you I don’t have any friends

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  • lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel like that’s cherry picking, like I’m comparing the cheapest Dutch webshop price for a new PS5 and it’s € 549,99 vs the Steam Deck which is only purchasable through Valve’s store for… € 419?

    Wait why tf do people buy PS5’s here‽

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    • amenotef@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I haven’t even picked the LCD 256GB SD…just didn’t pick the option with max storage.

      But anyway. This meme is very specific and it is just targeting a minority who would be choosing between a high end console to play at the sofa on the big screen and a handheld to play anywhere.

      I think the main SD target is people who want a handheld, and that group of people generally choose between SD or Nintendo Switch and for many (including me) SD is the preference.

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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you think $700 is bad, it’s £700 in the UK.

  Which is $913. 🤢

  Also:

  • median household income, UK (2022): £32,400 ($42,265)

  • median household income, USA (2022): $74,580

  A PS5 Pro is 26% of the typical UK household monthly income.

  A PS5 Pro is 11% of the typical US household monthly income.

  The US pricing is bad. The UK pricing is absolutely insane.

  The OLED Deck starts at £479. Still a lot but not as egregious. The LCD Deck is currently £262 ($344), which is pretty great.

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  • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you think 26% is bad, in Russia it’s going to be priced at around ₽80-100k(~$883, VAT included), but the median monthly salary is ₽43.500 - $480… That’s well over 100% median household income given that over 38% families only have a single parent. And I’m pretty sure that’s not even the worst out there, think like Argentina has an extortionate import tax or something?

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  • Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you think $700 is bad

    I don’t:

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    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cool chart.

      It really makes the point to me that the PS1 and PS2, when adjusted for inflation, and for relative compute power, were just such a fantastic deal.

      I was recovering from some serious console-purchase fatigue, when I bought my PS1 to replace my garage sale purchased Super NES. It was a big deal to me.

      I’ve paid PS5 prices (inflation adjusted) for a game system a few times (my first Switch and SteamDeck), but they’ve been a lot more mind blowing than what appears to be on offer today.

      Disclaimer: My favorite game is 8-bit, anyway.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So the most comparable console there is $456, and this is $700.

      That is bad.

      The PS5 Pro barely costs more to produce.

      $700 is bad. $913 is awful.

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    • notfromhere@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Charts like that are great, I love to see them. However, they need to have a year for the inflation-adjusted dollars else it’s nearly meaningless when referred back to.

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    • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not sure what this proves 🤔

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  • Elkenders@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anyone know the cost in the US including tax? Don’t they leave that off?

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    • kudos@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It varies state by state, some like Oregon have 0% tax, but most will be around 13% or so iirc.

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    • K3can@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The US doesn’t have a national sales tax, so it depends whether the individual state imposes a tax or not.

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  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t remember exactly, but some relative poverty lines start at 60% of median household income.

    • £700 / (£32,400 * .6 / 12) ≈ .43, thus 43% of monthly income for a poor household in the UK
    • $700 / ($74,580 * .6 / 12) ≈ .19, thus 19% of monthly income for a poor household in the US

    I hope median household income is netto, otherwise this is skewed.

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• exanime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And for those who have not tried it, my son uses the desktop mode as a full school workstation for internet browsing, email, teams, Google docs, etc

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  • dch82@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    More people should thank KDE for the desktop mode.

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    • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Indeed… I avoided it for years because I bought into the “it’s too heavy” narrative.

      Then I saw a phoronics benchmark sayin it was actually faster and lighter than lxde if you turn effects off

      I tried it then and was blown away, never looked back

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  • ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That sells it for me. Steam Deck is in my future. Windows will not be my next OS.

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    • Xella@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I pretty much only use mine in desktop mode and I’m currently playing world of warcraft on it lol!

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  • penquin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That is KDE Plasma for those who are curious. It is one of the main desktop environments in Linux. It is my daily driver on my main PC. It is the most customizable desktop I know of. There is nothing you can’t change.

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    • xavier666@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hi there, just a small correction. Compared to existing linux distros, it’s slightly different. Steam OS is an immutable OS, which means you can’t edit the root partition (Like you can’t edit the C:\ drive in Windows). This is both good and bad. Good -> Users can’t mess up their device while trying to mess around with it. Updates are smooth because Valve knows the previous state of the OS. Bad -> It’s bad only for extreme power users. You can’t run your own kernel, install certain build packages to do some advanced stuff. But this is a tiny tiny bad.

      Overall, Steam OS is great and I believe will be the gateway for the general PC crowd.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m using Fedora KDE right now for their Wayland support, because I wanted stuff like FreeSync on my AMD GPU, but I do miss Cinnamon. And Autokey.

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    • Grimpen@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks to KDE on the SD, I’ve switched my main DE on my desktop. Still have a soft spot for XFCE, but KDE Plasma on the SD was polished and was very “coherent”.

      One thing the SD is missing for being a complete “serious” computer is printing support. I’m sure I could it installed, the SD is eminently hackable, but a Flatpak solution or a Steam default solution would really justify using a SD in Desktop mode for school and work.

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  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I had to use mine as a desktop for two weeks while my PC was undergoing a repair. It was wholly uneventful: installed OpenOffice and had a wholly normal workweek. It’s perfectly fine to use as a regular, boring desktop if you need it to. Absolutely love the Steamdeck. Every gamer should have one.

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    • Grimpen@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve been complaining about printer support. It’s pretty much the last piece of the puzzle for a school focused SD.

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  • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I used mine for a few months for work. only problem i had with it was it struggled with multiple external monitors. i got it working but i had to fiddle with xrandr everytime i docked it and put it into desktop mode

    This was a couple years ago now though, it might be better now.

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• art@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Eventually, Sony will stop supporting the PS5 and it’ll be a brick. If Valve ever stops supporting the Steamdeck, it’ll keep running.

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  • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All (most?) of your games will run on your future computers.

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    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can play DOS games just fine right now, so yes it’s a good bet. And a far better bet than the PS6 being backwards compatible.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unless they change CPU architectures.

      And even then it’s no guarantee. Plenty of games needed support from the likes of GoG to run. Hell, I couldn’t even play Ex Machina because I had a HDR monitor and the game detected that and completely broke. Disabling HDR in Windows did nothing.

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  • XTL@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Device, maybe. What happens to the games bought from a DRM monopoly?

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    • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It plays piracy-reclaimed games just fine.

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    • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      While valve has a lot of deserved goodwill, that’s always the problem - they’re well-behaved, but set up in a way in which the customer has no leverage if they where to change their approach tommorow.

      Good thing drm-free games run just as well on the steam deck.

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  • ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These devices have different use cases. Steam Deck also is digital only. If publisher decides to kill a game, they can control whether you can or can’t play the game. PS5 Pro is expensive, but so are video cards nowadays. PS5 Pro is just following a trend set years before, including the shift from physical games and cost. The only way to stop anti-consumer trends is to stop buying expensive hardware (PS5 Pro included) Also, give some love to physical games.

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    • techwithjake@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Saying the Steam Deck is digital only is like saying a tower computer is digital only. That’s purely false. If you can put it on a tower computer, you can put it on the Steam Deck.

      All the Steam Deck, like many modern tower computers, needs for physical copies is a USB media reader.

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    After over 3 decades as a gamer and tech user this is maybe the single most consistent important benefit for any open platform were you can just install Linux.

    The rest is nice but this one means that 10 or 20 years from now your hardware might have been repurposed for something else and still be useful and in use whilst a closed platform will just be more junk in a junkyard or sitting in a box of those things you’ve kept just because you don’t like to throw expensive stuff away but will in practice never use again.

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also I’m that scenario, you know Valve only gave it up for something dramatically better.

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You know what the main difference between the Steam Deck OLED and the PS5 Pro is? Customers wanted and asked for the Steam Deck OLED.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I really like my PS5, but I see no value in a model costing 80% more and being only current for half a generation.

    All that for an “up to” 40% performance increase.

    I don’t care how much of a graphics nerd someone is, that just isn’t worth it.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And if you’re that much of a graphics nerd, you own a PC.

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    • arc@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A game that was released last year has absolutely zero knowledge of this 8k PS5 so it’s not going to magically render at 8k or 40% improvement. Some might get a framerate bump if frame sync can be turned off - the game might have been GPU bound and therefore with a better GPU it yields a better framerate. Sometimes. And AI upscaling might give a pseudo > 4k effect but it’s not really true 8k.

      A handful of games might get patched to avail of the improved rendering capabilities when they detect PS5 Pro. Minimal stuff really. Maybe the config file will improve draw distance or turn on certain effects when it knows the console can handle it.

      Hardly seems worth the vast additional expense especially if somebody already owns a PS5 though. Moreso because Sony are trying to stiff people into buying the cheaper “digital” version which basically means any physical collection won’t work with it.

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• callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sales on PSN are appalling compared to Steam as well. Plus you can also get Steam sales on other sites like Fanatical.

  Steam also has better remote play, and Steam custom controller profiles with nearly any controller are amazing.

  Also nearly no backwards compatibility issues, whereas PS5 will only play/stream limited games from the past.

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  • scops@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The PlayStation store is also a miserable shopping experience. If you don’t know what game you want or just want to browse, good fucking luck finding it there. No screenshots, no gameplay, no user reviews, no related games to compare to, no info about if your friends are wishlisting or playing it. Just a choice of buying the expensive version or the more expensive version, and good luck figuring out which DLC is already included in the deluxe editions.

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    • callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Shit yeah, no wishlisting, no ignoring, no gifting. Its pathetic.

      At least the original PS3 store was decent for its time, but they ruined that.

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    • szczuroarturo@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I honestly realy dont mind lack of info but the loading time is horrendus if you want to browse current sales or just check the game info . And while my internet is not that great there is a day and night diffrence between steam and Psstore.

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  • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    PS remote play is fantastic (for what remote play is. Streaming still sucks.)

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    • callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Playstation Remote Play is garbage no matter the location or setup. I’ve tried many over many years in multiple houses. Sony is horrible at this.

      Chiaki for Steam Deck/PC and PSPlay app for Android are insanely better quality for remote playing Playstation.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Steam sales have been crap for years though.

    You used to be able to pick up games a year after they came out for like £5 on a flash deal. These days stuff is still full retail price years after launch just so it looks better during the few sales a year. We need to get back to the days of cut price re-releases (Playstation Platinum).

    I got a shitload of games from bundles though. That at least is cheap on PC, along with Epic delving into their Fortnite war chest to bribe us with actually free games.

    Think the best way to game cheaply on consoles is to pick up physical discs second hand (although a lot of games don’t even launch on disc any more), and be on the higher tiers of PS Plus for all the games. There’s some really good stuff on there, more than enough to keep me busy.

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    • GammaGames@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those flash deals were awesome, I pretty much stopped caring about sales when they ended. Now I mostly use the wishlist and wait for games to come down

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• monogram@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not to mention that you can buy the previous version for 300 € and get most of the same value (less storage, gpu, screen, battery)

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  • Aggravationstation@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can also upgrade the storage and screen if you want.

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    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You cannot put an OLED screen in an LCD model.

      They have different internals. The screen upgrades that exist for the LVD are to swap in the anit-glare coated version, or a higher resolution.

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    • filister@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I bought 512GB OLED and then immediately swapped the SSD to 2 Tb

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  • Ugurcan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    gpu?

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    • monogram@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The oled version contains a different soc iirc

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• pyrflie@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Was BG3 smooth? I’m getting jealous if it was. It’s a hot mess on my shitty PC.

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    • Evrala@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I didn’t play much of it but it ran decently when I tired it. I just decided it was the type of game I wanted to plat with all the settings maxed on my laptop.

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    • Balthazar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is. From my experience a couple months back its crisp. Not the highest graphics, and it took a little getting used to from a high-end PC, but it was really nice. In certain aspects even preferable xD

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  • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wow 8hrs, I’ve never gotten more than 2 on a laptop

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• Lojcs@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Both run games at 720p

  This comment is brought to you by fsr

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  • anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In desktop mode you can change the resolution of the connected display. It goes back to 720p if you go back to gaming mode, but you can always just launch games from the desktop if you want higher resolution for a specific game.

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• conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If I’m playing modern games on a TV? PS5 easy. But still the pro over the deck.

  I love my deck. As the handheld it’s intended to be. It’s not powerful enough for an acceptable experience running a AAA 3D game on a TV screen. You can ignore the resolution and artifacts and just generally low visual quality and poor frame rate on a small screen, because playing the games portably at all is a huge step up. You can’t ignore any part of it on a TV. It’s fine for indie games, older games, 2D stuff, etc.

  But it doesn’t have the performance for a good living room experience if you’re looking to play modern AAA games. (Ignoring all their bullshit rootkits on PC that block a lot of multiplayer games out completely, which are the games you have to pay for on PS. You just can’t play most of them on Linux at all.)

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yup. As someone who hasn’t had a dedicated gaming PC in about a decade, I’ve been really happy with the PS5 + Steam Deck combo (well, plus Switch, but that thing collects dust until Nintendo releases a Mario platformer).

    I recently got a laptop that’s not made for gaming specifically, but can handle them pretty well (with Proton), and that has scratched any itch I’ve had for PC games that don’t lend themselves to Deck or console (your RTS games and such).

    At risk of giving away the game… I think people would be very surprised to see how cheap physical copies of PS4 and PS5 games go for when you catch them on sale.

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  • MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Y’all just picky. 720 was fine 20 years ago and it’s fine now.

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• TheYang@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also the price scales wayyyy better. Steam Deck starts at 313,65€ now.

  if you have less money, buy that, get an sd card, and if you enjoy it put an ssd in later.

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  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s $346 in US, if anyone is interested.

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• Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cheapest OLED steam deck is $549.00 (USD) while the most expensive is $649.00 (USD).

  So really either way not only all those positives, but it’s also at least $50 cheaper (which you can use to buy several games on Steam…)

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  • Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You will probably want to get a usb dock and video cable for at least $ 100 though, to be on par with the PS5

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• Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Subscription for Internet access is the one that’s always baffled me. What a stupid business model. I guess devices not belonging to their buyers is not a new thing.

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  • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    is it for “internet” or access to ps servers?

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• SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No joke, I’m tempted to buy a Steam Deck (or true Linux phone) because… It can run a local HTML/CSS/JS app on a browser with filesystem access and audio support. This is the power of having an OS that is not locked down.

  Speaking of which, what would you recommend for me to run a local HTML/CSS/JS app on a browser with filesystem access and audio support? (No, Android is too locked down to meet that spec) Other required specs:

  • Portable: Can fit in a pocket
  • 16GB or more usable storage
  • Bluetooth support
  • Ideally low-cost

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have an Orange PI Pro 5 16GB on a box that smoothly runs a full blown Ubuntu Desktop version and would fit in a pocket though it’s maybe a little too thick (from memory the box it’s about 3x5x2 cm).

    Total cost was about $170.

    The board itself would fit a thinner box, but you might have to 3D print one.

    You can find cheaper SBCs capable of running a Desktop Ubuntu but in my experience (with a $35 Banana Pi P2-Zero) if you go too far down the price scale Desktop Linux performance stops being smooth, even if the board is a tiny thing.

    It was actually quite surprising for me recently when I found out some of these things are perfectly capable Linux Desktops.

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• barsquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some of the points in the meme are weaker versions of the full truth:

  Desktop OS and you can substitute your own.

  Biggest game library and you can also side load your stuff from other stores.

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• SankaraStone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And I can install games from other store fronts if I want.

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• mhague@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Studios that can release games on consoles don’t even target people like me. I’m not going to get a console to play 5 good AAA games a year.

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• SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The most expensive Steam Deck is still cheaper in my country. €680. While the PS5 Pro is €800.

  And many will will just buy the cheaper version and replace the SSD by themselves. The 512GB OLED version plus a 2TB drive is only €50 more expensive than the 1TB version.

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• fluckx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One can be used in an airport/aircraft/train and the other can not.

  One is fit for travelling and the other is not

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• MrNesser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Since buying a steam deck I’ve spent more money on games I can play on it than I would normally for the pc.

  That’s still cheaper than buying a ps5 on its own without the extra cost of games.

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• HouseWolf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also the Steamdeck has games worth playing.

  If I was forced at gun point to switch back to console gaming I’d pick the latest Xbox just because of the backwards compatibility.

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• SatyrSack@lemmy.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  *squints* Sir, this is an LCD model you have here.

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• Resol@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  PS5 Pro: PRObably not for you

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• Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can you plug a steam deck to the tv and use a controller? Cause if not, I don’t want it

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• HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If the PS5 wasn’t my first PlayStation ever, I’d probably be pretty disappointed with it. Kinda wish I held off and waited for this one, since I’d rather have it, but financing this just doesn’t make sense in my current position. Would rather build a PC and use my Deck for remote play.

  This is an aggressively mid generation, I have to admit.

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• Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is not “biggest game library on earth” I bet, that would still be a high-end desktop running windows…

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• Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My thing is if Sony wants me to pay computer prices, it better act like a computer. If it doesn’t and the trend continues with PS6 then that’s the end of me buying PlayStations.

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• Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Even if it’s priced too highly, the PS5 Pro will probably sell pretty well. The Playstation Portal is very overpriced for what it is, and yet it’s sold very well. There’s a lot of Playstation fans with money to burn apparently.

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  PS5 Pro - only marginally better than an option that’s only $450.

  Steam Deck OLED - only marginally better than an option that’s only $300.

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• my_actual_brain@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love the steamdeck. In almost always dock it and use it as my default computer.

  If I did not NEED windows for a SINGLE work app, it would probably be my only computer.

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