Submitted 2 weeks ago by Metostopholes@midwest.social to steamdeck@sopuli.xyz
https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/45479024/view/689765787249934886?l=english
256 GB model: $1,059 USD 1TB model: $1,299 USD
Preorder list randomized, goes out Sept 17th
I'm happy it's here and probably will get one down the line. Equally as mad that it's surely gone up in price thanks to all the AI and other bullshit, not only not costing less than Valve Index (as had been originally rumored, I think), but more.
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
But as a VR enjoyer, I'm still happy.
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
I have like 3k of these things, so personally I’m very happy to not have to spend another $30 on a worse one that’s just going to get chucked in a drawer anyway.
I feel the same way about smartphones not including chargers. The third-party charger that I already have is likely better than whatever charger comes with the phone, so the one that comes with the phone will just go unused. I understand that manufacturers are not going to “pass the savings onto the consumer” when they don’t include a charger, but at least it doesn’t feel like e-waste. I felt the same way about the headphones that would come with devices for a while. Just a waste that I will never use.
On the other hand, having a stock charger could aid in troubleshooting by offering a baseline of sorts. Being able to say “I can’t do X, even with the stock charger” can go a long way. Without the stock charger, tech support could wonder if maybe your third-party charger is to blame for your issue. The other benefit of included chargers are when the device uses some weird charging technology or something that makes the included charger actually better for that device than the third-party one that I already have.
For me at least I don’t use any of my original usb device chargers. I have a GaN charger with 2 cables by the sofa and one by my desk.
I totally use the 45w charger that came with my steam deck oled. It’s nice. This looks to be the same one.
Whatever they would have added as an PSU and have you pay for it a premium, you can buy for next to nothing online with better features and performance, while not generating a bunch of e-waste if you don’t need one (like me - i doubt they would have added a 100W charger with 3 USB-C ports).
Careful with some very cheap very powerful GaN chargers. The lowest corner cutting ones have really poor components insulation and can burn easily (or toast your very expensive USB device). I have access to the cheapest ones… And i was very lucky that the laptop didn’t fry. I expend more on reputable brands now.
I wish it was cheaper but I would rather have VR without Meta at the wrong time and not great price than VR with Meta and the right time and great price.
Same here, I did love that the gamers nexus video opened with a comparison of the terms and privacy policy of meta and valve just to show how buying a Quest may be cheaper but it costs a lot more than the money you exchange for it.
Any word on VR streaming from Linux? I have yet to watch and read most reviews, but I can’t seem to find anything about it being exclusive to Windows like the Short Circuit leak claimed
I can almost guarantee you that if valve doesnt get it working, someone will via moonlight, ALVR, and/or WiVRn
Pretty much every existing streaming method is complicated and had poor results. Not to mention the lack of foveated streaming.
I am sure there will be third-party solutions working, but will they use foveated streaming? That is a huge selling point of the wireless streaming capabilities of the Steam Frame, but that feature seems to be proprietary to their first-party wireless streaming software. Without it, wireless streaming will be just okay.
Last year’s announcement trailer for Valve‘s new hardware mentioned that Steam Machine would be a great option for streaming games to Steam Frame. So it‘s pretty safe to assume that Linux support for streaming is coming.
It’s safe to assume, but from GN video - it’s not there.
Information seems to be mixed, but it’s looking like it at least works in some cases: reddit.com/…/steam_frame_confirmed_by_linustechti… I think what’s in question is whether the wifi dongle is widely supported. It might require some manual configuration.
The wifi dongle was demonstrated via the Steam Frame in the “first look” videos.
It’ll work in Linux.
WiVRn works in Fedora (over flatpak even!) since March this year, and performs better than SteamVR and possibly even Virtual Desktop - on a Quest 2. WayVR provides desktop portal and playspace dragging. Very recent update makes the interface look good and also provides USB Ethernet support for Android headsets (Quest etc.) if you prefer wired
They recently updated it, which seems to have at least improved stability for me. Still can’t get room configuration to run, but I can use default settings fine
As of now it does not work with the Steam Machine, which is kind of embarrassing. Though I expect them to fix that ASAP. Hopefully at least a beta version is available when customers get it.
Their quick start guide confirms that it does stream from the Steam Machine.
Steam Frame includes a wireless adapater to provide the best quality streaming from your Steam Machine or VR-compatible PC.
Steam Frame: Official Overview and Quick Start Guide (@ 3:40)
Personally I am slightly concerned about their confidence in it’s performance with the Steam Machine if a reviewer somehow was told in some way that it wouldnt work, even though I’m assuming that was some sort of communication issue.
Man, I really hate this economy. This AI bubble cannot pop fast enough, but I fear we have at least till the end of this year, possible Q2 of next year to see it happen. Even then, it’s not like it will be instant, and capacity won’t just instantly switch over to normal consumer components. Assuming even more tech idiocy doesn’t happen, we’re still years away from a ramp up to “normal” capacity.
I’m even more scared that the era of personal computing is in it’s last days. The combination of drastic cost increases, and the dominance of corpo-tech working 24/7 to destroy ownership completely, might be too much to overcome.
We’ll see a return to the era of computing similar to the 80’s and early 90’s. Building your own PC will require lots of money and technical skills. Pre-builts will be a distant memory. PC builders will be spoken of in similar terms as HAM radio people are now, hermitic nerds who are hardcore into their ancient, dark, tech wizardry.
but I fear we have at least till the end of this year, possible Q2 of next year to see it happen.
Considering at the start of August, I was already seeing stories that all the fabrication capacity for RAM has been completely spoken for and booked through the end of 2027, I would expect it to keep going quite a bit longer still.
You’re not wrong, but the whole thing is also a bit of a house of cards. If the buyers don’t have the money the contract won’t be fulfillable.
We have a data center planned not too far from my house. It was approved by the city council last December despite a lot of public skepticism. The developers aren’t moving because they don’t have the money. They’re waiting to have someone on contract to lease capacity from them before taking out a loan. In the best case that will simply never happen.
Actually not terrible. Wow.
$1050 is not terrible for you? Ok…
Go look up the price of the last ram kit, ssd, or SD card you bought costs right now, I guarantee your going to be surprised. No one likes the price, but I was ready for it to be way worse.
It can do more than some $3500 headsets (run desktop class applications natively)
Price is alright given the market conditions, but the lottery really ticks me off.
Imo the lottery is the most fair way of doing it. Instead of people being lucky to be awake/available right as the announcement dropped, everyone has the same chance of being placed early in the queue.
The lottery is fine, it’s the fact it’s even necessary I abhor.
Would you rather their entire stock gets bought up by bots to be scalped?
No, I’d love there to be enough supply for the vast majority of prospective buyers.
Please suggest an alternative that prevents scalping and doesn’t only favor the specific demographic that you are in.
Certainly the device could register to a specific account and notify them if/when a different primary account takes control. If I’ve been playing steam games for 20 years using the same account I should be able to be verified as doing that and order hardware without them being concerned about scalping, especially if the hardware will only work if my account is the primary one allowed to use it.
Oh no, the lottery is the most fair way to deal with expected demand far exceeding supply, no question about that.
I just long for a time when there was enough supply right from the start. I can’t remember having to queue or wait weeks for sought-after electronics in my youth. I don’t even blame Valve here, it seems to be more common everywhere now.
I tried to pre order a zelda anniversary and was too busy and ended up trying to buy it an hour after orders opened and I couldn’t buy it (unless I paid 2x the price on ebay). Lottery is the much better way to do preorders.
Or, you know, producing enough to meet demand from the start. People have gotten so used to sought after items being in short supply, the thought that companies can actually gauge demand quite well and could produce enough stock doesn’t even cross their mind anymore.
I want to remember people, that I was right and Tyler McVicker was wrong. He predicted a launch price of 1500 Dollars. There were entire articles and discussions in the web around that prediction: www.tweaktown.com/news/112988/…/index.html and linked to Lemmy post for discussions: lemmy.ml/post/51014971
I quote myself:
BTW the article is based off Tyler McVicker’s prediction. He was never good at predicting…
But I only have one kidney left.
Your liver grows back. Just saying.
Oh. Great. Only €1K. Super…
😢
A couple months ago, when I posted news about the FCC approval, people were whining that it was going to start at $2K. They didn’t quite hit their initial target of “less than the Index” but I still call this a win.
1k if your country supported that is, no luck in Serbia - we clearly leave outside of Europe.
Ahhhh ehhhhhhhhhh
If I didn’t have a Q3 already maybe. But for $1k I can’t swing it.
The Meta headsets were a no-go for me due to the huge privacy concerns. I’ll gladly pay a premium to have hardware I actually own.
Ugh, I really hate those bullshit controllers. Index controllers are the best and I feel like I’m just going to use tethered HMDs forever because of it.
I’m kind of surprised they don’t do hybrid controllers yet. As in the experimental kind used for prosthetics. Combine that with an EEG headset. Sounds like fun to me. Then again setup time would be a pain.
I’d definitely take the 256GB model, if it was available in my country… 😢
The lottery is cool but too bad this time they don’t allow you to join the list for both options to increase your chances of getting one in the first batch. I decided to go with the 256GB one. I don’t think I’ll be using it standalone very much, so I don’t really need the extra storage. And while I believe there will be more people signing up for that one, there will also be more units available, making the chances pretty much equal. Obviously, saving 200+ euros is a plus too.
69€ for the pretty much mandatory “Ergonomic Accessories” pack is just dumb, imo. For a 1000+ euros product I would expect that stuff to be included.
There is nothing I have ever seen or played in VR that could justify this price for me. I understand the tech is expensive, but I really am not willing to pay more than like $200 for something that feels like such a gimmick. If this is your thing though, have at it.
DOA. Maybe it’s not fair because it’d probably be $700 and in my budget if memory and storage had stayed steady instead of ballooned, but I’m not interested in this or the machine at the prices they are debuting at
As a 1990s kid, I’m still stubbornly waiting for VR to be the big spinny thing you get into like Pierce Brosnan.
I would get it if the battery life didn’t suck.
~1.5 hours when streaming from PC at 144hz, and a full charge time of around 3 hours, meaning you probably can’t even get unlimited playtime if it’s plugged in the entire time and solely streaming from a PC instead of computing the game itself.
A shame - I feel like VR really needs a loss leader to actually build more foundation for developers to actually care… but at least its out now I guess
Since this is an ARM device, can we play traditional x86-64 games on ARM64 now? Like, on other hardware besides Steam Frame?
Less than I expected yet still expensive. But, I would pay more than double to not get a meta headset.
Joined the list for the 1TB. Guess I’ll be selling some CS2 items. If the Jetset AK goes as well I may add well pick up the Vision Camera.
Wasn’t there also supposed to be a sale on VR games today?
Does anyone have an educated guess on my odds of getting picked from the list for a 1TB?
this is so crazy absurd. so damn expensive.
Had a VR headset but didn’t really use it enough to justify the cost tbh. These are double the cost too.
If I had that much money to spend I think it would be better to spend it on a screen instead of a VR headset. Should look up screens actually, aren’t they usually getting better/cheaper still unlike all other components? Could probably get a really nice screen for the cost of an RTXanything at this point.
Not that my current one is bad though. 1440p 144hz, think its only like 5 years old. Of course £1k could get something much better.
I hope these won’t sell out/queue up as much as Machines and Controllers do, since I can only safely afford it after a few months after a PC purchase.
But since this doesn’t have competition like the Machine (if you hate Meta), I’m worried.
Ughhh. Guess im not getting one of these either.
brockhold@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cheaper than expected given the economic hellscape, still more than the Index. Oh well. Glad they are attempting to prevent scalping, sad that it means that there’s a random draw to be able to buy them. Still trying to buy one. I figure the 256GB model will be entirely fine, especially with the SD card expansion slot. Pity that you can’t upgrade the storage like the Deck, but oh well.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My intended use case is 100% streaming from my PC so the fixed/low storage doesn’t even bother me.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Unless you’re using it entirely as stand alone I’m not certain of needing the 1TB version truthfully.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Nice to see you finally being honest.
MolochAlter@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Less than the index once you account for inflation.
The index would cost 1300$ in today’s money, give or take.
SatyrSack@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
I expect this is why the accessories are so expensive. The ergo kit really should not cost that much, but they may have just increased the price of that so they could keep the base price of the Frame itself lower.
tehmics@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m hoping third parties have accessories out by the time it drops. I’d rather buy a boboVR kit at half the cost or something
bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
For the life of me I cannot imagine that anything running locally on the Frame would need enough bandwidth from storage to not be able to run it off of SD anyway. For anything using the emulation layer, it’s sure to be slow enough where one won’t notice. For anything running ARM native, it’s sure to be simple enough that one won’t notice.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The price I expected for the main unit, but I’m kinda pissy with them wanting an extra $60 for a few straps. That price seems kinda bullshit.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not just a few straps but they are required to use all of the features of the controllers.
It also makes it a lot more comfortable on your head. I was considering it until I saw that cash grab nonsense. So, yeah. I’m a little pissy too.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Considering theres not many games and im assuming the bulk of the games are going to release a modified apk of the meta quest version, or scale back the PC port so it rubs via fex (less likely IMO)
Most good games on the quest tapped out at around 8-12 gigs, and im assuming that’s what a bulk of people are going to running considering most vr games made games where either made for, or designed for the quest first and foremost.
That and its the same hardware just running through valves version of waydroid which I can only assume is more performant than running a x86 pc game through fex, and using something like fsr to upscale it? Maybe foviated tracking comes in a lot more clutch than I think it will. But I don’t know honestly im just assuming.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but think of all the VR porn!
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t get why people say “theres not many games” about VR. Have you looked on Steam?